John Gerstner's Unbiblical Nonsense!

[Tsalagi]

Again, do you rejoice in God's justice or not? Pretty simple question.

No. I do NOT rejoice in the judgment of the wicked, just as my heavenly Father Himself does not.
Always making things personal instead of biblical is not the path to truth.

 

[AustinC]

No he doesn't.
Prove that.

AHA!
So, God DESTROYS both body and Soul in hell!!
And here, I thought you weren't an Annihilationist.
I thought you believed God intentionally kept people alive for the sole purpose of torturing them forever.
Good to know you aren't as lost as I thought.
Yes, God can DESTROY BOTH BODY AND SOUL in hell.

No, God casts sinners into Hell:
In Hell, according to Jesus (but not Austin) God DESTROYS BOTH BODY AND SOUL.
That's what Jesus taught.
You teach whatever you feel like.

Yes, he destroys them, body and soul.

You already were proven wrong on your pet topic. There are atheists and Jehovah's Witnesses cheering you on.

I shared scripture, as have others. If you stick your head in the sand it is not someone else's fault.

 

[AustinC]

He said "whoever BELIEVES." Again, who does that leave out besides Satan & his demons among whose who DO believe? It tells me that ANY PERSON is eligible to believe & be saved.

Yet the text doesn't say this.

 

[Reformed1689]

IF anyone is chosen to salvation before the foundation of the world, then what is the point of preaching the Gospel to them? they are, according to reformed theology, saved in eternity past!

Who said they were saved in eternity past?

 

[Reformed1689]

You have it backwards. Only those who believe are elect because only those who believe are "in Him" (Ephesians 1:4).

The sheep in the gospels are Israel, not the church.

Good luck proving that.

 

[Reformed1689]

Saying it doesn't make it so. The "out of context" reply only has traction if you show in what way context is being violated, which you haven't done.

You are using it to say I shouldn't judge, but that is not what Matthew 7 is saying at all.

 

[Reformed1689]

Whoever believes. Doesn't rule out anyone from believing.

Nor did I say that it did. I said those are the ones Jesus died for. John 3:16 doesn't answer the question who can believe.

 

[robycop3]

False teachers, false believers and anyone who is not foreknown and predestinated, roby.
You're missing Romans 8:29-30, Acts of the Apostles 13:48, Acts of the Apostles 2:37, Acts of the Apostles 2:47, Romans 9, Romans 10:20, Romans 11:1-8 and many more.
Respectfully, we've been all through this.

Scripture actually defines the "whosoever believeth" as being those that God has foreknown.
No one outside of the foreknown and predestinated will ever be justified by the blood of His Son.

If you don't want to acknowledge those passages, and many more, you don't have to.
But they are in the Bible, and they do say that they mean and mean what they say.

The words speak for themselves.

So, the next time you ask me this question, don't say that I didn't show you Scripture, OK?
That is the only place that I get this information from, my friend.

Yes, we've been thru this And calvinism is as false now as it was then. Jesus didn't say "whoever believes if elect..."

And Perer wrole, under Jesus' inspiration:
2Peter 3:9The Lord is not slow about His promise, as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not willing for any to perish, but for all to come to repentance.
Again, no living person is ineligible to repent, come to Jesus, & be saved.
Romans 10:13For whoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Again, NOT "whoever if elect".

 

[Reformed1689]

Yes, we've been thru this And calvinism is as false now as it was then. Jesus didn't say "whoever believes if elect..."

No, what he said was that the only people who come to Him are the ones given by the Father.

 

[Tsalagi]

You are using it to say I shouldn't judge, but that is not what Matthew 7 is saying at all.

So you think the metaphor of beholding and attempting to remove a mote from a brother's eye is not talking about judging a fellow believer? That's a new one to me.

 

[Reformed1689]

So you think the metaphor of beholding and attempting to remove a mote from a brother's eye is not talking about judging a fellow believer? That's a new one to me.

Did I say that?

 

[AustinC]

Whoever believes. Doesn't rule out anyone from believing.

Agreed. It also doesn't rule out that no one will believe.
The question then becomes, can anyone believe apart from the Holy Spirit quickening them? And, if not, who would the Holy Spirit choose to quicken?
Ephesians 1 and 2 tell you the answer if you care to ever read it and accept what it says.

 

[AustinC]

Remember the story of the man in the ocean who rejected offers of help from three different boats because he was trusting God to deliver him? ;-)

Where is that found in the Bible again?

 

[AustinC]

Do you hold that Destroy means burnt up, no more existing?

Yes he does. He believes there is no hell. God simply annihilates the unredeemed. He believes the same thing that atheists and Jehovah's Witnesses believe. Eat drink and be merry for tomorrow you die.

 

[AustinC]

No. I do NOT rejoice in the judgment of the wicked, just as my heavenly Father Himself does not.
Always making things personal instead of biblical is not the path to truth.

I didn't ask that. Read my sentence:
Do you rejoice in the justice of God?

 

[AustinC]

Yes, we've been thru this And calvinism is as false now as it was then. Jesus didn't say "whoever believes if elect..."

And Perer wrole, under Jesus' inspiration:
2Peter 3:9The Lord is not slow about His promise, as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not willing for any to perish, but for all to come to repentance.
Again, no living person is ineligible to repent, come to Jesus, & be saved.
Romans 10:13For whoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Again, NOT "whoever if elect".

Only those who reject scripture fall upon Calvin as their crutch. Scripture makes the case. Go there and learn.

 

[Reformed1689]

I didn't ask that. Read my sentence:
Do you rejoice in the justice of God?

That's the problem, we write one thing, and they claim we say something else.

 

[Reformed1689]

Only those who reject scripture fall upon Calvin as their crutch. Scripture makes the case. Go there and learn.

Exactly, I don't get my theology from Calvin. I get it from Scripture.

 

[Tsalagi]

Did I say that?

Of course you did - you're claiming Matthew 7 does not pertain to you judging a fellow believer. Feel free to explain your exemption.

 

[Reformed1689]

Of course you did - you're implying that Matthew 7 does not pertain to you judging a fellow believer. Feel free to explain your exemption.

I did not say it does not pertain to it.