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Steven_15

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tyndale1946 said:
They should have been removed until they got their act together and then they could have been restored to the church... I know of where I speak because something but not of this nature happened to me... After a time when I showed true repentance, I was restored in full fellowship... To many time we dwell on condemnation but if the member ask for forgiveness, we often forget there is also restoration... Spurgeon called the church, "A Hospital For Sinners"... We put ourselves above others, we are not and we ALL walk with feet of clay... Brother Glen:)

Galatians 6:1 Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted.

But we must also follow the guideline set up for the church in Matthew 18

Matthew 18:15 Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.

18:16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.

18:17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.
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Should they be removed on moral grounds?
 
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Steven_15 said:
Should they be removed on moral grounds?
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Until they get married, they should not live together... In our church a single preacher could not visit a single female... That is why it is good for preachers to marry... It may be innocent but it is the appearance to outside world... What does scripture say about moral grounds?... Avoid ALL appearance of evil!... Then there is this!... Talking about a sensual burning... Brother Glen:)

1 Corinthians 7:8 I say therefore to the unmarried and widows, It is good for them if they abide even as I.

7:9 But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn.
 
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tyndale1946 said:
Until they get married, they should not live together... In our church a single preacher could not visit a single female... That is why it is good for preachers to marry... It may be innocent but it is the appearance to outside world... What does scripture say about moral grounds?... Avoid ALL appearance of evil!... Then there is this!... Talking about a sensual burning... Brother Glen:)

1 Corinthians 7:8 I say therefore to the unmarried and widows, It is good for them if they abide even as I.

7:9 But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn.
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If they should be removed on moral grounds isn't it legalism?
 
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If you want to remain sick, go ahead & remain sick. But don't make it a doctrine and discourage other christians who want to be healed distorting Hebrews chapter 11.

Don't confuse between bodily redemption and healing by faith. Healing by faith is in Christ's atonement (Isaiah 53:4; Mathew 8:17).

Remember, there are "consequences" for refusal to believe in Christ's atonement. Don't confuse those "consequences" with genuine suffering which helps to grow in faith.
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How about those great heros of the faith who were sawn apart, wandering around poor and hungry> Not enough faith or revelation knowledge?
 
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The question was to Yeshua1 who seems to accuse/judge felliw christians who live in sin.
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Nope, I am just applying biblical discipline, as those who say are living together in sin and yet still still claim to be Christians need to get married or break apart, in order to make their profession valid! A Church must not allowing known gross sinning to be ongoing without reaching out towards those involved in an attempt to reconcile them back to God and to the Church body!
 
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Thanks for the welcome Bro.

The issue was about a couple in one of the church leadership position who were in a live-in relationship and the church committee set an enquiry as urged by some church members. Eventually the couple were accused and they replied. I asked how the committee ought to have responded in this forum.
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I am just suggesting that the couple needs to stop shacking up or else get married to make it legit, and need to not be in leadership until issue resolved!
 
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tyndale1946 said:
They should have been removed until they got their act together and then they could have been restored to the church... I know of where I speak because something but not of this nature happened to me... After a time when I showed true repentance, I was restored in full fellowship... To many time we dwell on condemnation but if the member ask for forgiveness, we often forget there is also restoration... Spurgeon called the church, "A Hospital For Sinners"... We put ourselves above others, we are not and we ALL walk with feet of clay... Brother Glen:)

Galatians 6:1 Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted.

But we must also follow the guideline set up for the church in Matthew 18

Matthew 18:15 Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.

18:16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.

18:17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.
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Church discipline must be done, but with intent to have the wandering person restored!
problem is that churches today refuse to do anything, allow anything, or punish them to point of just having them turn away from church and God!
 
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Yeshua1 said:
Church discipline must be done, but with intent to have the wandering person restored!
problem is that churches today refuse to do anything, allow anything, or punish them to point of just having them turn away from church and God!
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Now, don't pretend to be morally sinless!
 
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Yeshua1 said:
Nope, I am just applying biblical discipline, as those who say are living together in sin and yet still still claim to be Christians need to get married or break apart, in order to make their profession valid! A Church must not allowing known gross sinning to be ongoing without reaching out towards those involved in an attempt to reconcile them back to God and to the Church body!
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Are you reconciled to God by your sinlessness?
 
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Yeshua1 said:
Nope, I am just applying biblical discipline, as those who say are living together in sin and yet still still claim to be Christians need to get married or break apart, in order to make their profession valid! A Church must not allowing known gross sinning to be ongoing without reaching out towards those involved in an attempt to reconcile them back to God and to the Church body!
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First follow biblical discipline by being perfect as the Father is perfect. Then you can go around preaching!
 
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Steven_15 said:
If they should be removed on moral grounds isn't it legalism?
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It is just God children who have gone astray... Its not a death sentence but leaders should know better... There are rules that need to be obeyed for the peace of the church, no body in church does their own thing... I don't know about other churches, I can only tell you about mine but if you have a disorderly church, you are in trouble... Our natural parents discipline us and for good reason, if they are loving parents... If my parents disciplined me on moral grounds, is that legalism?... Brother Glen:)


Hebrews 12:9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?

12:10 For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness.

12:11 Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.

And if you think there is any joy in removing someone from church you have the wrong attitude, it is soul/heart wrenching duty the church MUST perform and there is no joy in it, and it MUST be done in love!!!
 
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Yeshua1

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Nonsense! Read the verses where faith has healed them. Don't confuse between desire and faith!
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Have you read the ones there who were poor and sick and destitute wandering around with any material goods, but still rich in faith?
 
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