Justification by faith, like Preterism, not in the creeds. But Biblical

[robycop3]

I believe that, once again, we've proven preterism is horse feathers.

 

[Yeshua1]

I believe that, once again, we've proven preterism is horse feathers.

Full Blown version always been seen as being heresy...

 

[robycop3]

And, while justification by faith IS Biblical, preterism is NOT.

 

[Lodic]

Preterism is NOT found in Scripture, while justification by faith IS. Both Noah and Abraham believed & obeyed God, & He counted that as righteousness. The rest is history.

But preterism is simply a MAN-MADE false doctrine. The events prets CLAIM have already happened, have simply NOT yet happened. No getting around that!

Those who say that Preterism is not a historical position (as my ex-pastor admonished me) need to understand that justification by faith is not "historical" either - that is, neither beliefs are found in creeds. In the Bible, yes, but not in the creeds.

 

[Lodic]

According to preterism all apocalyptic occurrences that we futurist are awaiting have already happened:

e.g.

2 Peter 3
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

Yet Not a word in history secular or ecclesiastic of the "great noise", the "fervent heat" and works in the earth being "burned up" neither can they tell us where to look in the scripture for death coming to an end which according to the scripture of the futurist death is the last enemy

1 Corinthians 15:26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

If death has been destroyed why then are there still undertakers and their cemeteries?
Well we are told that there is more than one kind of death.

However the death in 1 Corinthians is the kind which one is resurrected from as was our Lord.

Why then do we still die the death of these bodies? Why do I still get sick, feel pain, etc...

Christ is only a partial savior?

Will the universe continue on into eternity forever with adamic reproduction with adamic sin and death? War, murder, famine, pestilence... ?

Actually, there are different "camps" of Preterism. As I understand it, Full Preterists (aka "Hyper-Preterists") believe that all prophecies have been fulfilled. However, Orthodox Preterists (aka "Partial Preterists") believe that many of the events prophesied in Scripture (e.g. the Olivet Discourse, most of Revelation) have been fulfilled. While we do not believe that we are in the "End Times", nor do we believe in the Rapture, we still await the return of Christ. The end of Revelation is still awaiting fulfillment.

As an Orthodox Preterist, I believe many passages (e.g. 2 Peter 3:10-12) are to be interpreted symbolically.

 

[kyredneck]

I believe that, once again, we've proven preterism is horse feathers.

Lol, once again, you've proven what a vivid imagination that you have!

 

[asterisktom]

Actually, there are different "camps" of Preterism. As I understand it, Full Preterists (aka "Hyper-Preterists") believe that all prophecies have been fulfilled. However, Orthodox Preterists (aka "Partial Preterists") believe that many of the events prophesied in Scripture (e.g. the Olivet Discourse, most of Revelation) have been fulfilled. While we do not believe that we are in the "End Times", nor do we believe in the Rapture, we still await the return of Christ. The end of Revelation is still awaiting fulfillment.

As an Orthodox Preterist, I believe many passages (e.g. 2 Peter 3:10-12) are to be interpreted symbolically.

Hi, Lodic. While I take umbrage with the "orthodox" label of your preterism, leaving me with the "un" (or worse) I do appreciate your comments on this important topic. Though I consider myself a full preterist I would not say that all is fulfilled. Two items, just off the top of my head, still need to happen:

1. I have yet to die and meet the Lord. So, for me personally, Heb. 9:27 still remains unfulfilled.
2. It could be that what the Seven Thunders uttered may still be on the horizon. I think it would have to be.

For the record, I am full preterist by conviction, not by preference. I really wanted to stay a partial preterist. It seems a much larger, happier crowd : ) - but I could not find that position any longer in Scripture. I could not find such a division of "comings" that would accommodate both AD 70 and a future date. The more I studied the Bible the more I saw them as undivided as Christ's garment.

 

[Lodic]

Hi, Lodic. While I take umbrage with the "orthodox" label of your preterism, leaving me with the "un" (or worse) I do appreciate your comments on this important topic. Though I consider myself a full preterist I would not say that all is fulfilled. Two items, just off the top of my head, still need to happen:

1. I have yet to die and meet the Lord. So, for me personally, Heb. 9:27 still remains unfulfilled.
2. It could be that what the Seven Thunders uttered may still be on the horizon. I think it would have to be.

For the record, I am full preterist by conviction, not by preference. I really wanted to stay a partial preterist. It seems a much larger, happier crowd : ) - but I could not find that position any longer in Scripture. I could not find such a division of "comings" that would accommodate both AD 70 and a future date. The more I studied the Bible the more I saw them as undivided as Christ's garment.

My apologies, Asterisktom. I should have used the term "Partial Preterist". I've read / watched some Full Preterist material, mostly from Don K. Preston.
You are absolutely right, of course, regarding Hebrews 9:27. I believe that most of Revelation was fulfilled (most notably with the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple in AD 70), I still look for a future return of Christ.
By "seven thunders", are you referring to Rev. 10:1-7? If so, I will confess that I've not entirely sure what to make of it, except that I lean toward the aforementioned judgement on Jerusalem.

 

[Lodic]

Preterism is NOT found in Scripture, while justification by faith IS. Both Noah and Abraham believed & obeyed God, & He counted that as righteousness. The rest is history.

But preterism is simply a MAN-MADE false doctrine. The events prets CLAIM have already happened, have simply NOT yet happened. No getting around that!

Sir, a question, if I may. Could you elaborate on your comment that "preterism is not found in Scripture"? Preterism, just like Dispensationalism, is an interpretative view. Just as a Dispensationalist has Scriptures to support his view, Preterists also use Scripture to support their view. Often, these may be the same passages. Doesn't it come down to how one interprets those passages? Also, Preterists take the stand that Dispensationalism is a man-made doctrine, as it didn't exist before 1830. (I'm not looking for an argument, but just a discussion. I may not have a chance to reply until later this afternoon of tomorrow, as I am on my lunch break.)

 

[kyredneck]

For the record, I am full preterist by conviction, not by preference. I really wanted to stay a partial preterist. It seems a much larger, happier crowd

Brother, do I ever relate with that...…as usual your articulation is spot on...

 

[asterisktom]

My apologies, Asterisktom. I should have used the term "Partial Preterist". I've read / watched some Full Preterist material, mostly from Don K. Preston.
You are absolutely right, of course, regarding Hebrews 9:27. I believe that most of Revelation was fulfilled (most notably with the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple in AD 70), I still look for a future return of Christ.
By "seven thunders", are you referring to Rev. 10:1-7? If so, I will confess that I've not entirely sure what to make of it, except that I lean toward the aforementioned judgement on Jerusalem.

I believe what they uttered is still to pass based on the fact that all of the other events concerning the fall of Jerusalem had been revealed. I won't be dogmatic though.