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King Interview with Billy Graham
- Thread starter Marcia
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I saw him .He seems not to want say Jesus is the only way to the Father anymore .If I didn't know Graham he sounded like a your ok I am ok kind of guy .
King was kind to him and not push him like he does with other Preachers he has on like MacArthur ,Falwell on gay's or on Jesus is the only way .
I really like his son Franklin and his daughter .
King was kind to him and not push him like he does with other Preachers he has on like MacArthur ,Falwell on gay's or on Jesus is the only way .
I really like his son Franklin and his daughter .
billy graham has confirmed my belief that mans wisdom is only through God. i believe billy graham is so decieved that he could only be deliverd through Christ. many people see such a kind minister but it is possible that billy graham is preaching a different jesus then that of the bible. billy graham is probably lost.
StraightAndNarrow
Active Member
Billy Graham is , in my opinion, the greatest evangelical evangelist is our time. To reach the greatest number of people for Christ, he "plants the seed" and refers them to a local church for support and nurturing. Name a modern evangelist who has done more for the kingdom.
Based on Graham's statements, including others like the one above, it is open to doubt whether or not Graham is even an evangelical. In referrring his "converts" to local churches, he includes apostate churches and churches with false doctrine. And studies of his crusades show that an abysmal number of converts remain in local churches just one year after their conversion. Which leads us to ask, To what were they converted?
It is possible that Graham as done less with more influence than any evangelist of hte modern era.
It is possible that Graham as done less with more influence than any evangelist of hte modern era.
I didn't say he is lost. And the issues I am talking about are not issues on which he is silent. When he teaches that baby baptism "does something" regenerative, that is neither silent, nor salvation by grace through faith in Jesus Christ (which is insufficient anyway). When he says that Muslims, Jews, and people who follow other religions, may go to heaven, that is neither silent, nor salvation by grace through faith in Jesus Christ (which is still insufficient anyway).
Salvation is by grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone. Graham does not clearly preach that message, and includes in his organizing committees those who explicitly reject that message. Once someone has compromised the "evangel" ... the gospel ... they are no longer an evangelical.
Salvation is by grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone. Graham does not clearly preach that message, and includes in his organizing committees those who explicitly reject that message. Once someone has compromised the "evangel" ... the gospel ... they are no longer an evangelical.
I began to question BG several years ago during the peak of Clinton's sexcapades brouhaha.
He, BG, said something to the effect of "Well Pres. Clinton is a good looking man, and I can understand the womens attraction to him."
I don't know the context, and that was all I heard/read, but he appeared to be implicitly relieving Clinton of any guilt in regard to the dalliances.
Been a mite leery of BG since!
He, BG, said something to the effect of "Well Pres. Clinton is a good looking man, and I can understand the womens attraction to him."
I don't know the context, and that was all I heard/read, but he appeared to be implicitly relieving Clinton of any guilt in regard to the dalliances.
Been a mite leery of BG since!
Marcia
Active Member
I was disturbed by these remarks and by much of the interview (which I read, didn't see, since I don't have cable). Together with some other things he's said, my view of him has altered.
I see him as going soft on the gospel, because if the wrath of God on sin is not preached, then the sacrifice of Christ for forgiveness of sins loses
its "punch." You can't have one without the other.
And by evading King's question about Muslims, Mormons, Buddhists, and others, Graham gives the impression that he believes that they might be saved without knowing and trusting Christ. Even if he does not believe this, he left that open by not taking the opportunity to speak out on it.
Other Christians on Larry King have been very upfront and explicit about Jesus being the only way -- Lee Stroble, for one. So why couldn't BG be the same way?
I see him as going soft on the gospel, because if the wrath of God on sin is not preached, then the sacrifice of Christ for forgiveness of sins loses
its "punch." You can't have one without the other.
And by evading King's question about Muslims, Mormons, Buddhists, and others, Graham gives the impression that he believes that they might be saved without knowing and trusting Christ. Even if he does not believe this, he left that open by not taking the opportunity to speak out on it.
Other Christians on Larry King have been very upfront and explicit about Jesus being the only way -- Lee Stroble, for one. So why couldn't BG be the same way?
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TexasSky
Guest
Wow - Billy Graham gives the authority of judgment to Christ and some of you call him lost for saying that.
Billy Graham says "Christ told us to love everyone, and I do," and you call him unsaved.
Wow.
Billy Graham says "Christ told us to love everyone, and I do," and you call him unsaved.
Wow.
Jesus Christ told us the standard by which he judges people. When Christ told us the standard, why didn't Graham hold to that standard? Does he not believe God's word?
The broadcast was punctuated with short clips from Graham's appearances on-camera since 1949. The opening clip showed a vigorous 30-year-old Graham in Los Angeles, gesticulating with fervor, a sharp contrast to the 86-year-old man in the studio. "As I got older, I guess I got more mellow," said Graham.
During the interview Graham occasionally became confused, once substituting "the Nigerian Creed" for the Nicene Creed, the basic Christian beliefs adopted during the fourth century. "I'm getting mixed up," he said to King.
Graham has been struggling with hydroencephaly, a brain condition that has required four surgeries in the last four years. He also has prostate cancer and Parkinson's disease. He broke his hip on two recent occasions and now must use a walker.
http://beliefnet.com/story/168/story_16868_1.html
During the interview Graham occasionally became confused, once substituting "the Nigerian Creed" for the Nicene Creed, the basic Christian beliefs adopted during the fourth century. "I'm getting mixed up," he said to King.
Graham has been struggling with hydroencephaly, a brain condition that has required four surgeries in the last four years. He also has prostate cancer and Parkinson's disease. He broke his hip on two recent occasions and now must use a walker.
http://beliefnet.com/story/168/story_16868_1.html
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TaterTot
Guest
Exactly, LE. I think saying he is probably lost is a bit harsh. He may be slipping, but he is still a man who loves the Lord and tries to serve Him, in my humblest of opinions.
Charles Meadows
New Member
many people see such a kind minister but it is possible that billy graham is preaching a different jesus then that of the bible.
Billy Graham is certainly preaching a different Jesus than most legalists or Pharisaic Christians would know.
But if I remember correctly Jesus was pretty big on forgiveness.
I don't recall Billy ever dispensing with the need for Jesus - he simply has said that he was not the one judging.
In trying to witness to Muslims and Jews you'll find that a little respect for them and a lack of judgment (I love your soul brother but without Chrahst you're goin to hay-all) do more to show them what Christ is all about then telling them that they and all their friends and family and countrymen are going to hell.
billy graham is probably lost. This typifies the kind of statement that costs evangelicals credibility. Sometimes I'm ashamed to be called an evangelical. Billy's life has been a testament for Christ. He's walked the walk, as opposed to many legalists who talk a good game but have no more love for sinners than the average atheist!
Billy Graham is certainly preaching a different Jesus than most legalists or Pharisaic Christians would know.
But if I remember correctly Jesus was pretty big on forgiveness.
I don't recall Billy ever dispensing with the need for Jesus - he simply has said that he was not the one judging.
In trying to witness to Muslims and Jews you'll find that a little respect for them and a lack of judgment (I love your soul brother but without Chrahst you're goin to hay-all) do more to show them what Christ is all about then telling them that they and all their friends and family and countrymen are going to hell.
billy graham is probably lost. This typifies the kind of statement that costs evangelicals credibility. Sometimes I'm ashamed to be called an evangelical. Billy's life has been a testament for Christ. He's walked the walk, as opposed to many legalists who talk a good game but have no more love for sinners than the average atheist!
mere statements cannot destroy the creidibilty to the most important thing which is Gods word.
people put too much focusing on a persons credibility, look how people say billy graham is the greatest man to bring people in such large numbers to hear him preach. i believe God is the power of salvation unto men and even the apostle paul was never lifted up to be a great man because he gave all his thanks to God.
Marcia
Active Member
It is true that BG has been struggling with and suffering from several serious illnesses, and I can see that accounting for some of his confusion. However, his answer re Muslims, Mormons, Buddhists, etc, did not indicate confusion at all, but a reluctance to say that Jesus is the only way. He appeared to know exactly what was being asked and what he was saying.
However, I do NOT think this makes BG apostate; it is just disappointing. He had an opportunity to say something here but chose not to say it.
However, I do NOT think this makes BG apostate; it is just disappointing. He had an opportunity to say something here but chose not to say it.
For those who want to attribute these unbiblical statements of Graham to his illness, remember that these statements go back to at least the early 70s. Would you have us believe he has been sick for that long? I hardly think so. When Graham began to include apostates on his crusade committees, he had to start changing what he was saying. This is no secret to anyone who has followed him over the years.
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TexasSky
Guest
Amen Charles.
Pastor Larry - Christ said that you'll be forgiven in the same measure you forgive others.
Christ said the second greatest of all commandments is to love others.
Spreading rumors that Billy Graham is not Christian is neither forgiving, loving or accurate.
You say God gave us standards to judge others by. That same God said:
Judge not, lest ye be judged.
Forgive 70 times 7.
And "Judgement is mine."
Maybe you need to pay a little more attention to the commandments that God called the greatest two and little less attention to trying to tear down other Christians.
There is absolutely ~nothing~ unbiblical about Billy Graham saying he doesn't want to sit on national TV and talk hate about other people.
There is a LOT unbiblical about you calling a man "unChristian" for refusing to participate in a hate-fest.
Pastor Larry - Christ said that you'll be forgiven in the same measure you forgive others.
Christ said the second greatest of all commandments is to love others.
Spreading rumors that Billy Graham is not Christian is neither forgiving, loving or accurate.
You say God gave us standards to judge others by. That same God said:
Judge not, lest ye be judged.
Forgive 70 times 7.
And "Judgement is mine."
Maybe you need to pay a little more attention to the commandments that God called the greatest two and little less attention to trying to tear down other Christians.
There is absolutely ~nothing~ unbiblical about Billy Graham saying he doesn't want to sit on national TV and talk hate about other people.
There is a LOT unbiblical about you calling a man "unChristian" for refusing to participate in a hate-fest.