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KJV vs. NKJV: which do you prefer?

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rlvaughn

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Conan said:
I wonder if they just did that so they could get a copyright on their version?
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I have heard this claim made, but as for my part have no knowledge that they did this. I suppose there is a point at which only a few minor changes could not be copyrighted as a different Bible, but there are quite enough differences in the KJV and NKJV that would not have been a problem.
 
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Logos1560 said:
Perhaps the KJV could also be claimed to seem to make changes in the pre-1611 English Bibles for the sake of change if the same measures/standards are applied.

Can all the changes that the KJV makes to the 1560 Geneva Bible be proven to be more accurate when compared to the preserved Scriptures in the original languages?

In many places where the NKJV differs from the KJV, it is the same or almost the same as the wording in the Geneva Bible.
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Would you see the Geneva as being as accurate, or even more so, than the kjv then?
 
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Wilbur Pickering asserted: “Until such a time as a good translation of the Majority Text becomes available, the best current English version of the NT is the NKJV—an excellent translation of a good Greek text” (Identity of NT Text II, p. 183).
 
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Yeshua1 said:
Would you see the Geneva as being as accurate, or even more so, than the kjv then?
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In my opinion, the 1560 Geneva Bible is more accurate than the KJV in a good number of places, but the KJV is also more accurate than the Geneva Bible in a good number of places. Likely, the KJV is a little better overall.

In the places where the Geneva Bible is more accurate than the KJV, the NKJV is also in agreement with the Geneva Bible's renderings. In the places where the KJV improved on the Geneva Bible or is more accurate than the Geneva Bible, the NKJV is usually in agreement with the KJV. Those two observation based on many pages of examples would indicate that the NKJV is likely more accurate overall than the KJV.
 
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The KJV is still copyrighted in the United Kingdom. Only one publishing company has the rights to print the KJV Bible.
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clarification: the rights to print the KJV Bible there.

https://www.cambridge.org/about-us/who-we-are/queens-printers-patent

"In the United Kingdom, rights in the Authorized Version of the Bible (AV), also known as the King James Bible or King James Version (KJV), are Crown copyright."

"Cambridge University Press is responsible for administering the Crown's rights in the KJV in England, Wales and Northern Ireland."

"The Scottish Bible Board has similar delegated authority...in Scotland."
 
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Logos1560 said:
In my opinion, the 1560 Geneva Bible is more accurate than the KJV in a good number of places, but the KJV is also more accurate than the Geneva Bible in a good number of places. Likely, the KJV is a little better overall.

In the places where the Geneva Bible is more accurate than the KJV, the NKJV is also in agreement with the Geneva Bible's renderings. In the places where the KJV improved on the Geneva Bible or is more accurate than the Geneva Bible, the NKJV is usually in agreement with the KJV. Those two observation based on many pages of examples would indicate that the NKJV is likely more accurate overall than the KJV.
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You see all 3 of them in the same textual stream, so should not be rejected by KJVO, correct?
 
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Some comparisons from the book of Genesis

Gen. 1:28 fill the earth (Geneva, NKJV) replenish the earth (KJV)

Gen. 2:13 Cush (Geneva, NKJV) Ethiopia (KJV)

Gen. 4:17 built a city (Geneva, NKJV) builded a city (KJV)

Gen. 4:21 play on the harp (Geneva) handle the harp (KJV) play the harp (NKJV)

Gen. 7:22 the spirit of life did breathe (Geneva) was the breath of life (KJV) was the breath of the spirit of life (NKJV)

Gen. 8:12 he waited (Geneva, NKJV) he stayed (KJV)

Gen. 8:20 Then Noah built (Geneva, NKJV) And Noah builded (KJV)

Gen. 9:17 sign (Geneva, NKJV) token (KJV)

Gen. 10:22 The sons (Geneva, NKJV) The children (KJV)

Gen. 10:23 sons of Aram (Geneva, NKJV) children of Aram (KJV)

Gen. 11:3 Come (Geneva, NKJV) Go to (KJV)

Gen. 12:5 and they departed (Geneva, NKJV) and they went forth (KJV)

Gen. 12:6 Shechem (Geneva, NKJV) Sichem (KJV)

Gen. 12:8 he built (Geneva, NKJV) he builded (KJV)

Gen. 13:5 who went (Geneva, NKJV) which went (KJV)

Gen. 14:9 four kings against five (Geneva, NKJV) four kings with five (KJV)

Gen. 16:6 roughly (Geneva) hardly (KJV) harshly (NKJV)

Gen. 17:11 between (Geneva, NKJV) betwixt (KJV)

Gen. 18:2 to the ground (Geneva, NKJV) toward the ground (KJV)

Gen. 18:19 do righteousness (Geneva, NKJV) do justice (KJV)

Gen. 19:1 in the evening (Geneva, NKJV) at even (KJV)

Gen. 22:1 God did prove (Geneva) God did tempt (KJV) God tested (NKJV)

Gen. 22:16 because (Geneva, NKJV) for because (KJV)

Gen. 23:1 twenty and seven (Geneva) seven and twenty (KJV) twenty-seven (NKJV)

Gen. 25:7 seventy and five (Geneva) threescore and fifteen (KJV) seventy-five (NKJV)

Gen. 25:29 weary (Geneva, NKJV) faint (KJV)

Gen. 26:1 besides (Geneva, NKJV) beside (KJV)

Gen. 26:28 between us (Geneva, NKJV) betwixt us (KJV)

Gen. 27:15 clothes (Geneva, NKJV) raiment (KJV)

Gen. 27:15 elder son (Geneva, NKJV) eldest son (KJV)

Gen. 27:28 wheat (Geneva) corn (KJV) grain (NKJV)

Gen. 28:16 awoke (Geneva, NKJV) awaked (KJV)

Gen. 30:36 between (Geneva, NKJV) betwixt (KJV)

Gen. 31:6 all my might (Geneva, NKJV) all my power (KJV)

Gen. 31:37 between (Geneva, NKJV) betwixt (KJV)

Gen. 33:18 came safe to (Geneva) came to Shalem (KJV) came safely to (NKJV)

Gen. 33:19 pitched his tent (Geneva, NKJV) spread his tent (KJV)

Gen. 36:22 And the sons (Geneva, NKJV) And the children (KJV)

Gen. 36:23 sons (Geneva, NKJV) children (KJV)

Gen. 36:24 sons (Geneva, NKJV) children (KJV)

Gen. 36:26 the sons (Geneva, NKJV) the children (KJV)

Gen. 36:27 sons (Geneva, NKJV) children (KJV)

Gen. 36:28 sons (Geneva, NKJV) children (KJV)

Gen. 37:22 might deliver (Geneva, NKJV) might rid (KJV)

Gen. 39:8 knoweth not (Geneva) wotteth not (KJV) does not know (NKJV)

Gen. 39:10 with her (Geneva, NKJV) by her (KJV)

Gen. 40:2 chief butler (Geneva, NKJV) chief of the butlers (KJV)

Gen. 41:14 came to Pharaoh (Geneva, NKJV) came in unto Pharaoh (KJV)

Gen. 41:53 plenty (Geneva, NKJV) plenteousness (KJV)

Gen. 41:54 famine (Geneva, NKJV) dearth (KJV)

Gen. 41:55 Go to Joseph (Geneva, NKJV) Go unto Joseph (KJV)

Gen. 43:16 to the steward (Geneva, NKJV) to the ruler (KJV)

Gen. 43:16 and kill meat (Geneva) and slay (KJV) and slaughter an animal (NKJV)

Gen. 43:30 affection (Geneva) bowels (KJV) heart (NKJV)

Gen. 44:4 to his steward (Geneva, NKJV) unto his steward (KJV)

Gen. 44:7 do such a thing (Geneva, NKJV) do according to this thing (KJV)

Gen. 44:15 Know ye not (Geneva) Wot ye not (KJV) Did you not know (NKJV)

Gen. 44:29 death (Geneva) mischief (KJV) calamity (NKJV)

Gen. 46:27 seventy (Geneva, NKJV) threescore and ten (KJV)

Gen 47:29 near (Geneva, NKJV) nigh (KJV)

Gen. 50:3 seventy (Geneva, NKJV) threescore and ten (KJV)
 
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Yeshua1 said:
I really like where the Nkjv has the Mu and CT renderings also in the margins, so one can see the various ways could translate!
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The notations are NU for the CT and M for the Majority text where it differs from the TR. NU = Nestle-Aland and United Bible Society Greek text.
 
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InTheLight said:
The KJV is still copyrighted in the United Kingdom. Only one publishing company has the rights to print the KJV Bible.
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Well, actually, in the UK, there are FOUR that may legally print/sell KJVs - The Universities of Oxford & Cambridge, the Ayers & Spottiswoode Co, & Harper Collins. (Owned by Ruppert Murdoch)
 
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robycop3 said:
NKJV for sure - it's in OUR English, & corrects many of the KJV's goofs, such as "Easter" in Acts 12:4, correctly translating 'pascha' as PASSOVER.
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Not everyone agrees Easter was a KJV goof. Tyndale first translated that Greek to English as Easter. Later Tyndale invented the word "Passover" translating the Hebrew to English. The goofs and deliberate treanslating both Hebrew and Greek as Easter followed.
 
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37818 said:
Not everyone agrees Easter was a KJV goof. Tyndale first translated that Greek to English as Easter. Later Tyndale invented the word "Passover" translating the Hebrew to English. The goofs and deliberate treanslating both Hebrew and Greek as Easter followed.
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There are several reasons it's a goof -
1. Easter didn't exist when Luke wrote "Acts".
2. The AV makers clearly knew Easter from passover.
3. The ONE-TIME usage of Easter for pascha stands out.
4. Had Easter then existed, neither Herod nor the Jews would've observed it.
 
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