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Let's discuss purgatory

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Agnus_Dei

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annsni said:
I was raised in the Catholic church and went to Catholic school from 7th through 12th grades. One of my best friends is a cantor and her husband is a deacon in the church. I learned the errors early on and left the church (although I attended Catholic school as a believer) and as I grew and matured in my life and faith, I saw over and over again how many errors are taught and believed in. I cannot see the compatability of Catholic teaching and the Bible. As a matter of fact, in the high school I went to, the Bible was pushed aside. "It's not literal - these are only stories" is what I was told. It saddened me to hear that. I don't get that sort of response in my Baptist church or the other churches I have attended.
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I have my reasons as well why I chose the Orthodox Christian Church over the Roman Catholic Church too...

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lori4dogs

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annsni said:
Hmmm - but none of the "splits" were over doctrine, were they? Yes, one wanted to have a more charasmatic kind of service. Another wants to move in new directions. One is an arm, one is a leg. What's the issue?
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The issues may have been politics, divorce, smoking, church funds, the pastor’s wife, pants on women, sports on Sunday, you name it, but there are times when it may be inerrancy of the bible. How about, creation vs evolution. No American Baptist churches ever split over that one, right? How about dispensationalism, Millineal Exclusion, etc.
 
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lori4dogs said:
The issues may have been politics, divorce, smoking, church funds, the pastor’s wife, pants on women, sports on Sunday, you name it, but there are times when it may be inerrancy of the bible. How about, creation vs evolution. No American Baptist churches ever split over that one, right? How about dispensationalism, Millineal Exclusion, etc.
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So how about them? Answer my post.
Do they fall into the categories of:
1. salvation?
2. the fundamentals of the faith?
3. the Baptist distinctives?

If not, you know well that we believe in soul liberty, and you know what that is.

Is that Catholic Church just another Jim Jones cult, do what I say, blindly follow me, ask no questions, don't think for yourself, etc.? That is what your catechism is for, isn't it?
 
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lori4dogs

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Amy.G said:
You and I know that, but I was trying to give the Catholics a chance to explain their false doctrine.

Obviously, they aren't even willing to try.
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Been explained ad nauseum on the BB. Scripture references given and then, as always, the denial that they have any bearing.
 
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Amy.G

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lori4dogs said:
Been explained ad nauseum on the BB. Scripture references given and then, as always, the denial that they have any bearing.
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Could you show me where? Where does scripture describe the place of purgatory? I don't remember reading any posts on that.
 
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lori4dogs said:
Been explained ad nauseum on the BB. Scripture references given and then, as always, the denial that they have any bearing.
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The references have been explained right back to you. Deep inside I think you know that you can't use any of those references to justify Purgatory. You can't take Scripture out of context and make it say what you want it to say.
You have probably heard me use the example that the Bible does indeed say that "There is no God." Yes it does say that. It says it in Psalm 14:1.

But the context is: The fool hath said in his heart: there is no God.
If you treat Scripture like that you can make it say anything you want it to.
 
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lori4dogs

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DHK said:
So how about them? Answer my post.
Do they fall into the categories of:
1. salvation?
2. the fundamentals of the faith?


3. the Baptist distinctives?

If not, you know well that we believe in soul liberty, and you know what that is.

Is that Catholic Church just another Jim Jones cult, do what I say, blindly follow me, ask no questions, don't think for yourself, etc.? That is what your catechism is for, isn't it?
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Oh, I think the inerrancy of scripture might fall under the #2 on your list. Don't you?
 
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lori4dogs said:
Oh, I think the inerrancy of scripture might fall under the #2 on your list. Don't you?
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Baptists don't split on the inerrancy of Scripture. There are some that disagree on some aspects of inerrancy, but all Baptists believe the Bible is inerrant. The Catholics that I have met, at least many of them, don't believe it is.
 
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Amy.G

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Lori, Jesus described both heaven and hell in very descriptive words. Why did He never mention a 3rd place that you call purgatory?
 
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ReformedBaptist

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Agnus_Dei said:
OK..then READ my personal story...jeeze...is the educational system in georgia THAT bad?

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I don't know. I graduated from college here Cum Laude and we homeschool our kids.

A less spastic response could have been..."The answer to your question is in my personal story I posted before."

Soft...and whiney.
 
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ReformedBaptist

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Agnus_Dei said:
I was raised an Independent Fundamental Baptist...as an IFB, we believed and were taught that our particular brand of Christianity was the authentic Church of the Apostles...we were that Church...I was one of the many that would hold my KJV high up and holler 'AMEN', when our Pastor proclaimed that what he was preaching WAS the Gospel and all the other Churches including yours BTW, was preaching another Gospel.

One day, don't ask me what brought it to mind, but all of a sudden this whole I'm right and everyone else is wrong struck me as odd...because I had friends (co-workers) that were Methodist, Presbyterian and Assemblies of God and they used the same Bible as we did...so how was it that my Pastor was right and my friends Pastors were wrong? Not only that, but was the IFB Church really the "authentic" NT Church of the Apostles?

So I had to find out...some people are content where they are...my mom and dad are happy being a IFB members...they were raised that way and never thought anything else of it...why do we believe what we believe? well, the Bible says it...but does it really? what of the other protestant denominations, are their interpretations just as legit as the IFB Churches are?

I spent almost 5 years praying and searching...I talked with Pastors from all walks of Protestantism, got literally verbally beat up by family members for leaving the IFB Church and thus almost gave up on the whole idea...

But at the end of the day, this was about ME and my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ...I'm the one who has to stand before the Lord one day and NOT before my family or before anyone else for that matter. I must work out my own salvation, as St. Paul puts it.

At this point I never even heard of the Orthodox Church, so I decided...OK, the Roman Catholic Church claims they are the true NT Church, why not see if their claims are true...so I spent a good year, going to Mass and attending Roman Catholic RCIA...then I moved to Kansas and was driving down the road and there was a strange looking Church called "St. George Orthodox Christian Cathedral"...went home looked it up online and thus I discovered the Orthodox Church...went to a Sunday Liturgy and never looked back...a year and a half later, my family and I were Chrismated in the Orthodox Church.

This is as settled as my soul has ever been...that's MY proof and history speaks to this proof as well. Does this mean the Orthodox Church has God in their pocket...Of course not...we don't believe or teach that salvation is found only in the walls of an Orthodox Church...but we do believe the Orthodox Church is the faith in its fullest.

So really there's nothing I can say to you to prove otherwise...I was in your shoes once...I know you have good intentions, so did I...but until you really want to know the truth and put aside your preconceived notions about the RCC or the Orthodox Church and begin to sincerely understand what they believe, how and why...it's gonna do you no good...and when and IF you do, at the end of the day, you're are still convinced the Reformed Baptist Church is where you belong, then God bless you...but it's all about humility, defeating our passions and attaining the virtues...and pride is a passion I see running rampant on this board.

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Based on this testimony you provided you have never been born from above.
 
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