Liberty! The Christian, wine and cigars?

Rush Limbaugh claims to be a Christian, drinks wine, and smokes cigars. But from his perspective the wine and cigars are proof that the government doesn't need to be intruding into his personal affairs.

 

In which other posts...I'd like to read them. How do I find them? Thanks.

 

I didn't say it wasn't wine,though. You may have misunderstood. I said it was fermented,but very weak compared to the harder drinks that can be purchased today ....and it was because the water was not as clean,therefore being an appropriate drink in that situation.

 

Hi Molly,

If I remember correctly, the idea that "it was wine, but it wasn't really wine" is discussed, too.

There's no indication that it was anything other than wine, fermented to the point that it could cause intoxication.

Mike

 

Molly, wasn't the world of the Bible just as sinful? I mean, the Romans or the Greek, how about Babylon, a city devoted to materialism and sensual pleasure, or Sodom and Gomorrah. I don't think the sins you've listed pertains only to our world, and the times in which the Bible pertains to, they drank wine, but I believe only after Noah. I could be wrong, it wouldn't be the first time.
Sue
Personally, I don't like wine and don't drink it, nor any alcohol, because I just don't like the taste. I like water and Dr. Pepper!

[ April 06, 2002, 09:06 PM: Message edited by: SuekieLyn ]

 

Hey,it is simply my opinion,I realize there is not a verse that says...do not drink,do not smoke,etc. I have gathered my thinking on this from biblical principles and the jest of what the bible teaches about living a holy life. Also,from a few respected commentaries...yes,John MacArthur's. I do believe the wine was different,but that is not the real issue here. I'm not going to die on a hill that is not word for word in the Bible,but I will say that it does hurt a christian's influence on an unbeliever's life. It can be a stumbling block to other weaker chritians...where do you draw the line on when someone is drunk....it definitely says do not be drunk with wine....so,there are too many questionable things with drinking.....when in doubt I choose the conservative choice,if I'm in error with my thinking,I haven't sinned by not doing it. I'd rather be wrong that way,than doing something that could really be detrimental,spritually, to someone else.

 

It simply sounds like you are trying to justify something you enjoy-that's fine if your conscience is okay with it-I happen to disagree with you and trust God's word,mainly Proverbs,when trying to undertsand what a holy life is to look like...drinking lines up with foolishness...that's the way it makes you act,so do not participate.But,there are other reasons,that I have mentioned in previous post. I have drank beofre and absolutely hated it and felt completely sorry for it.

WOW! That's neat that you were a memeber of Grace CC in California. We have heard John preach and he truly is a great teacher and expositer. he loves God's Word above all.

 

"Wine is a mocker, and strong drink is raging, and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise" (Porv. 20:1)

Any alcoholic fluid is toxic to the body -- even "a little wine for your stomach's sake". Heal your stomach but harm your liver and destroy brain cells. Doesn't seem like a good trade-off to me.

This topic has been thoroughly and acrimoniously discussed before.

 

My goodness.

A little wine for your stomach's sake is specifically endorsed by Scripture. Talking about how evil alcohol is while ignoring it is bad enough, but actually undertaking to refute Scripture? Of course it's a good trade off, or it wouldn't be recommended in the Bible. Especially back in the day, since alcohol kills some germs, making water mixed with alcohol safer than regular water. Moderate drinking is good for the heart. In fact, there are studies showing that moderate drinking has a positive effect of lifespan, which is pretty good evidence that's it's healthy.

 

Well, you can spin my comments any way you'd like, but the fact remains that alcohol is a toxin to the body.

While it is true that the Bible never specifically forbids drinking, it does illustrate instances where alcoholic drink factored heavily into sinful behaviour (Gen. 19:30-38; Isa. 5:11, 22; 28:7), it expressly condemns drunkenness (Ga. 5:21), and it clearly implies that alcohol is a hindrance in the perfection of holiness in one's life (Lev. 10:9; Nu. 6;2,3; Lu. 1:15).

 

Scott, Unfortunately we cannot educate the whole world. There are many people who feel that drinking in any amount is sin. Most of those are lost and even if they drink they see it as an unChristian failing in Christians. These we would seek to educate require gospel presentation not libritarian education. The bible is clear that those who would serve as deacon not be given to drink and those who seek to be a pastor should abstain.

1.This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work.
2. A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;
3. Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;
4. One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;
5. (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)
6. Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil.
7. Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.
8. Likewise must the deacons be grave, not doubletongued, not given to much wine, not greedy of filthy lucre;
1 Timothy 3:3-8
If we truly strive to be Christ like we would avoid even the appearence of evil. Sounds rabid but what is a little lost enjoyment here on earth when literally buying a bottle of wine might turn an unknown person fataly away from Christ. We will know one day how much of that happened. for me I gave up the smoking, dipping and drinking.

B.

 

Christ did exactly the opposite. It was one of the primary charges against him that he did not behave in a matter befitting a pious teacher.

Joshua

 

Chris,

I think you've wrenched that verse from its context. John Mark qualified that verse as "purging all meats," Mark 7:19.

 

A toxin to the body that increases lifespan?

Which doesn't combine to equal a condemnation of drinking, especially since Jesus himself drank.

God's book, the Bible, does not forbid alcohol. Satan's book, the Koran, does. That's good enough for me.

 

Howdy Y'all,
Ever seen these before?
"Woe to him that giveth his neighbor drink, that puttest thy bottle to him, and makest him drunken also, that thou mayest look on their nakedness! Thou art filled with shame for glory, drink thou also, and let thy foreskin be uncovered: the cup of the Lord's right hand shall be turned unto thee, and shameful spewing shall be on thy glory."
Hab 2:15-16

Isn't yeast and leaven the same thing? Leaven is always a "type" of sin. Would passover wine be leavened?
Drink up Brothers! Rationalize, Entertain your best desires, but remember Payday, Someday.

[ April 09, 2002, 09:03 AM: Message edited by: Bartimaeus ]