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[Zaac]

In order to NOT have the Govt make it legal, nor to have churches support that, and condone that, under liberty/freedom/"love of Christ!"

What does us arguing back and forth with individuals have to do with what the government makes legal?

 

[Aaron]

I hope this does not violate the board rules as I am serious about the question, but if so just remove it. As we know today our society is swiftly changing to pro homosexual marriage whether as a personal choice or just the right for anyone else who wants it. It is no longer a stigma to be out with the lifestyle and even supported and encouraged now by our government.

My question is this. When trying to show that it is wrong and should not be allowed because it is bad for society what is your response to the claim it does not hurt anyone else so it should not be illegal as It is two consenting adults doing what they want and no one else's business as it does not hurt anyone else so it shuld be legal?
Other than pointing to, "it is against God," what is your response? I assume that such a response would also apply to multiple husbands or wives at the same time. Do you have a response that does not intregate God into the mix or is this strickly a religious issue?

The claim that it doesn't hurt anyone is false. I wouldn't advise asking anyone on this board, because they don't really know. Marriage is not a matter of religion or freedom of religion, it is a matter of nature and of law.

Start by doing internet searches. Start with: false homosexuality harmless

It will take several days, several different search terms, and looking to the third, fourth and fifth pages of search results, but you will eventually turn up a scholarly report highlighting the disaster to individuals and to society at large and illuminating the lies and hypocrisy of those attempting to justify or even, as some on this board, mitigate the offense of Sodom.

 

[Zaac]

How is condoning and allowing them to stay in sin, and continually being told, falsely, that God accepts your homosexuality as "just the way he made you?"

Do you listen? No one said anything about condoning and allowing them to stay in sin.

Your concern ALWAYS seems to be one sin.

They've committed more sins than just the homosexual offense. Deal with saving their eternal souls and not winning an argument about one sin.

 

[Zaac]

The claim that it doesn't hurt anyone is false. I wouldn't advise asking anyone on this board, because they don't really know. Marriage is not a matter of religion or freedom of religion, it is a matter of nature and of law.

Start by doing internet searches. Start with: false homosexuality harmless

It will take several days, several different search terms, and looking to the third, fourth and fifth pages of search results, but you will eventually turn up a scholarly report highlighting the disaster to individuals and to society at large and illuminating the lies and hypocrisy of those attempting to justify or even, as some on this board, mitigate the offense of Sodom.

And it will mean nothing. They can produce just as many psychological and what have you studies that tell them that they are right. It's like statistics, you can always find something that supports your POV. It simply is not an argument to be won.

Preach the GOSPEL and let the Holy Spirit do the convincing.

 

[Yeshua1]

And it will mean nothing. They can produce just as many psychological and what have you studies that tell them that they are right. It's like statistics, you can always find something that supports your POV. It simply is not an argument to be won.

Preach the GOSPEL and let the Holy Spirit do the convincing.

Also make sure that the elected officials do NOT make laws making this abomination legal, wait, they already have!

 

[Aaron]

And it will mean nothing. They can produce just as many psychological and what have you studies that tell them that they are right. It's like statistics, you can always find something that supports your POV. It simply is not an argument to be won.

Preach the GOSPEL and let the Holy Spirit do the convincing.

it's about law. Christians vote, and Christians can make law, and Christians can fine, jail and execute evildoers as they do everyday here in the U.S.

 

[Yeshua1]

Hey, it's about law. Christians vote, and Christians can make law, and Christians can fine, jail and execute evildoers as they do everyday here in the U.S.

Does our friend really think the founding fathers, basing our govt upon Christian values and principles, would have had legalized gay weddings?

Did Yahweh under the law sanction it?

Did Jesus under the New either?

maybe Paul?

 

[Salty]

Hey, .

I think that was uncalled for.

 

[go2church]

Really,

Unbelievably childish and lacking in any way respect or decorum

 

[Don]

The preaching of the Gospel in love covers what they will do tomorrow too. But it becomes nearly impossible to share the Word of God that sets men free when we place the barrier of issues between us.

So what tells them they NEED Jesus?

 

[Jon-Marc]

Homosexuality is a sin problem, and God should not be left out of the equation. Other than voicing my beliefs and God's teachings on the subject, I'm not going to waste my time trying to convince anyone that it is wrong. It's not our responsibility to stop unbelievers from sinning; our responsibility is to point them to the One Who can save them from their sin and convict them of any sin in their lives.

Some people will say something like, "If you don't change your life, you're going to hell." No, What they need to do is to call upon the Lord, admit to being a lost sinner and ask for forgiveness. We're not told in God's word to "Stop sinning, and then I will save you." I hear that in stupid songs about getting your heart right and THEN coming to the Lord, but that is backwards. We come to Him just as we are, and God does the cleaning up of our lives--if we let Him.

 

[Yeshua1]

So what tells them they NEED Jesus?

hard to agree that you are sinning against God in your behaviour, when many churches and pulpits nox say God OK and down with it!

 

[Aaron]

Does our friend really think the founding fathers, basing our govt upon Christian values and principles, would have had legalized gay weddings?

Did Yahweh under the law sanction it?

Did Jesus under the New either?

maybe Paul?

We're talking about what the law should be. The law isn't about forgiving liars, thieves, murderers, adulterers or sodomy.

 

[Zaac]

So what tells them they NEED Jesus?

The Gospel. People have to be shown that they are condemned because of ALL of their sin, and not just one sin. ALL of it needs to be forgiven. And that is done by telling them what the law says about the penalty for ALL of their sin, not just the homosexual offense.

 

[Don]

The Gospel. People have to be shown that they are condemned because of ALL of their sin, and not just one sin. ALL of it needs to be forgiven. And that is done by telling them what the law says about the penalty for ALL of their sin, not ust the homosexual offense.

Okay; I understand my confusion now. Your premise is that, from the opening post, we seem to be judging based on only one sin; when, in reality, we don't know that for a fact. For all we know, Judith mentioned the ten commandments to these people, and then mentioned a few others, including homosexuality; and THEY were the ones that focused on that subject.

So I think what you're saying is that Judith (and the rest of us) shouldn't be caught in that trap of focusing on one sin (whether it's a trap laid by those of us that focus on particular sins, or the ones we're witnessing to that choose to battle us over single issues), but let them know that there is none righteous, not one. Am I close?

 

[Zaac]

Okay; I understand my confusion now. Your premise is that, from the opening post, we seem to be judging based on only one sin; when, in reality, we don't know that for a fact. For all we know, Judith mentioned the ten commandments to these people, and then mentioned a few others, including homosexuality; and THEY were the ones that focused on that subject.



So I think what you're saying is that Judith (and the rest of us) shouldn't be caught in that trap of focusing on one sin (whether it's a trap laid by those of us that focus on particular sins, or the ones we're witnessing to that choose to battle us over single issues), but let them know that there is none righteous, not one. Am I close?

Absolutely PERFECT.:applause: Pay close attention to how they use this against us and then we have to go on the defensive to try and "prove something" to them.

I think you have a certain group of people out there who are salivating at the chance to frame the conversation and pull us into these endless looping "arguments" so that they can say we're hateful. And that's usually the way we come across because they corner us into talking about why one sin is wrong instead of why every human being needs a Savior.

 

[Aaron]

Why are you so focused on the supposed misfocus of others? Where's the confession of your vile misfocus? What a judgmental, hateful person. Are you a christiaphobe?

 

[quantumfaith]

Why are you so focused on the supposed misfocus of others? Where's the confession of your vile misfocus? What a judgmental, hateful person. Are you a christiaphobe?

With grace and seasoned with salt....no doubt.

 

[Judith]

Thanks for the inputs.

 

[prophet]

Why are you so focused on the supposed misfocus of others? Where's the confession of your vile misfocus? What a judgmental, hateful person. Are you a christiaphobe?

One doth protest too much, no?