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[PastorGreg]

I bought the book.

There is no meat. It's all bones. Universalism; 2nd, 3rd, 4th chances after death; No real, fiery hell; No eternal judgment; No "place" called heaven; On and on, ad nauseum.

Nothing new. Several ancient heresies regurgitated, straw men, incoherencies...

 

[Alive in Christ]

JohnDeerfan...

glfrederic is bringing up a good and valid point


You are advocating that we...believers with a good grasp of biblical truth, and good discernment regarding error...should never read anything but the scriptures and books that are biblically sound, with the reason being that we might somehow become "contaminated" in some way, and become shipwrecked as a result.

And yet YOU YOURSELF are doing the very thing that that you are telling us not to do.

In reading all of these posts you are reading gobs and gobs of stuff that is, in your view, biblically unsound. And yet you continue to read on and on and on, reading more and more..in your view..error

Mr Pot...meet Mr Kettle

 

[JohnDeereFan]

I'm not really trying to pick a fight.

Nooooo, of course not.

Just making a point that you came off strong above concerning the reading of theology that you consider false and from wolves, and that this board is filled to about 50% with the same.

Actually, I never said that. But why am I surprised that you would lie about what I said?

If you are going to live up to what you post concerning others, one might think it best to live up to it yourself

I do, which is why I'm not going to read the book.

After all, reading is reading, and there certainly is a lot of crud here on the board that equates to the same level that Bell wrote!

glfrederic is bringing up a good and valid point

OK. How is he bringing up a "good and valid point" by lying about what I said and believe?

You are advocating that [those]...believers with a good grasp of biblical truth, and good discernment regarding error...should never read anything but the scriptures and books that are biblically sound, with the reason being that we might somehow become "contaminated" in some way, and become shipwrecked as a result.

Never said that.

And yet YOU YOURSELF are doing the very thing that that you are telling us not to do.

Tell me which heretical book I've bragged about reading.

 

[glfredrick]

JDF, what you are now doing is called equivocation. You are majoring on the word "book" and not on "writing" in order to find some ground upon which to stand. But in your quote, you even mention books AND writing, which covers all bases, including this site.

Had you not wrote very plainly above, I would not be following this track, but your words are there for all to see!

Calling me a liar is also not going to fly. Here, just for kicks is a quote of your own words:

Originally Posted by JohnDeereFan
Why do we have to study false teachers to be able to point out false teaching? Why shouldn't we be so familiar with the Word of God that when a false teaching pops up, we can immediately refute it from scripture?

How on Earth is that Biblical??? What Bible verse could possibly lead you to believe that we're to study woves and false teachers in order to find edifying teachings?

Ever heard the verse, "Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things. (that's Philipians 4:8 for you liberals)"

I asked earlier and nobody wanted to answer, but putting aside the fact that your attitude toward wolves and false teachers is Unbiblical, why would you go to wolves and false teachers for truth when there is such a rich tradition of books and writing by Godly men espousing sound, Biblical doctrine?

I forget who said it, but you people remind me of a quote I heard once: "By entertaining of strange persons, men sometimes entertain angels unawares: but by entertaining of strange doctrines, many have entertained devils unaware".

I just cannot, cannot, CANNOT figure out why you people would let wolves in. The sudden left turn Baptists are taking is shocking to me.

 

[JohnDeereFan]

JDF, what you are now doing is called equivocation. You are majoring on the word "book" and not on "writing" in order to find some ground upon which to stand. But in your quote, you even mention books AND writing, which covers all bases, including this site.

Actually, this is an internet message board, not a book or theological writing.

Had you not wrote very plainly above, I would not be following this track, but your words are there for all to see!

...and for you to twist and lie about.

Calling me a liar is also not going to fly.

You are a liar and, frankly, you're a fool. I'll tell you what I'll do: in obedience to the Bible's admonition to not argue with a fool, I'm going to put you on ignore. That way, you can feel free to lie about me all you like and then you can explain yourself when you stand before God.

 

[glfredrick]

Actually, this is an internet message board, not a book or theological writing.



...and for you to twist and lie about.



You are a liar and, frankly, you're a fool. I'll tell you what I'll do: in obedience to the Bible's admonition to not argue with a fool, I'm going to put you on ignore. That way, you can feel free to lie about me all you like and then you can explain yourself when you stand before God.

I've seen you go down this path with others before, so it is not really a surprise.

 

[Baptist Believer]

You are a liar and, frankly, you're a fool.

Your words are there for everyone to read. He is not lying.

Furthermore, Jesus condemns calling others "fools" (that's Matthew 5:21-22 for those who claim to know the scriptures, but don't) because fools say there is no God (Psalm 53:1).

I'll tell you what I'll do: in obedience to the Bible's admonition to not argue with a fool...

For what it's worth, the scripture also tells us to "answer a fool according to his folly, or he will be wise in his own eyes" (Proverbs 26:5).

I'm going to put you on ignore.

I would appreciate it if you would do the same for me.

That way, you can feel free to lie about me all you like and then you can explain yourself when you stand before God.

I'm sure he will be fine when it comes to the matter of dealing with JohnDeereFan on BaptistBoard. He has been patient while you have been caustic and abusive to many. I'm not sure you intend to be that way, but you seem to have little tolerance for others when they don't agree with you and have an unfortunate tendency to engage in name-calling and condemnation.

 

[JohnDeereFan]

Your words are there for everyone to read. He is not lying.

Fine. Show us where I said it.

Furthermore, Jesus condemns calling others "fools" (that's Matthew 5:21-22 for those who claim to know the scriptures, but don't) because fools say there is no God (Psalm 53:1).

Actually, He doesn't condemn calling others fools. He condemns calling others fools in some contexts. The Bible calls people fools in many places.

I'm sure he will be fine when it comes to the matter of dealing with JohnDeereFan on BaptistBoard. He has been patient while you have been caustic and abusive to many.

So he lies about me and you consider that a virtue?

I'm not sure you intend to be that way, but you seem to have little tolerance for others when they don't agree with you and have an unfortunate tendency to engage in name-calling and condemnation.

I never condemned anyone. I just don't like to be lied about.

 

[Alive in Christ]

Pastor Greg...

There is no meat. It's all bones. Universalism; 2nd, 3rd, 4th chances after death; No real, fiery hell; No eternal judgment; No "place" called heaven; On and on, ad nauseum.

Nothing new. Several ancient heresies regurgitated, straw men, incoherencies...

Really? Is it really that blatant? Pure universalism, no hell, etc? No judgment?

If so, thats a shame. Very disappointing.

Apparently a rank heritic. I was hoping that would not be the case

 

[Dr. Bob]

There is no meat. It's all bones. Universalism; 2nd, 3rd, 4th chances after death; No real, fiery hell; No eternal judgment; No "place" called heaven; On and on, ad nauseum.

Nothing new. Several ancient heresies regurgitated, straw men, incoherencies...

You are too kind. I'd not be nearly that nice in condemning this truly vile book that will mislead many of God's people (who have been duped into thinking Bell is some guru).

This thread is just about history (a couple more posts will push 10 pages). Could wish the horrific impact of the book could magically reach a "page limit" and disappear off our radar.

 

[Bearister]

Unfortunately, many of the young adults and youth, who have been raised on Nooma videos for the last several years, will be eating Bell's book up. I intend to read it only so I can provide a proper critique to his points to our youth group. I'd prefer to read a more worthwhile book, but sometimes we must read these types of books so that truth can be championed in the marketplace of ideas.

 

[Benjamin]

I am not afraid to say that something is trash if it is trash, and I'll be very clear about Bell's book -- it is trash -- and it promulgates some of the same concepts I see argued on this board, particularly by the "no-name" theology folks. Free will carried to some conclusion = Bell's stance = normative liberal Protestantism under a post-modern hipster guise...

Ahem! …You would probably ruminate me with a label as a card carrying LFWist, yet I, as well as the majority of others here that you would label as liberals for a free will stance would probably take as many or more objections against Bell than you. SO concerning your strawman against free will which suggests any concept other than the Determinist’ view,... (which faulty scriptual interpretations logically results in a fatalistic theology of a despot god; added in for payback rhetorical effect)….I just got one thing to say about your prideful “opinion” which portrays that only your position stands against such types of heresy: BUNK!

 

[Benjamin]

You are too kind. I'd not be nearly that nice in condemning this truly vile book that will mislead many of God's people (who have been duped into thinking Bell is some guru).

This thread is just about history (a couple more posts will push 10 pages). Could wish the horrific impact of the book could magically reach a "page limit" and disappear off our radar.

Guess, I should be glad I could help clear things up before you do...

:smilewinkgrin:

 

[Alive in Christ]

John Deerfan...

You said this to glfredrick...

You are a liar and, frankly, you're a fool.

And Jesus Christ says...

But whoever says "you fool" shall be in danger of hell fire"

Something to think about.

Seriously

 

[Rippon]

Ahem! …You would probably ruminate me with a label as a card carrying LFWist, yet I, as well as the majority of others here that you would label as liberals for a free will stance would probably take as many or more objections against Bell than you.

"Ruminate me"? Ben,the word ruminate means to ponder. Ya' got lost in your wilderness of words again.