Maybe that is what you believe, but the question is why?
If man, according to you, does not have a sin nature, as Jesus did not have a sin nature, why do you sin? You, like Jesus, should be able to make it through this life without sinning. You should be able to do it with ease. But the reason you cannot is because you have a sin nature; from birth "you are accustomed to sin," as Jeremiah teaches in Jeremiah 13:23.
Why did Adam and Eve sin?? They did not have a sin nature did they? But they sinned the first time they were tempted didn't they? Are we often tempted in this world? Seems like a pretty OBVIOUS answer to me.
Then answer my questions.
Why do you have to teach a child to tell the truth when they lie naturally?
Why would a four year old brutally bite a two year old if they are born without a sin nature?
Why are they born naturally selfish? (MINE!!)
Children are born self centered for survival. A child will naturally seek to eat and drink, to be warm and comfortable. This is not sinful, it is self preservation.
As for lying, by the time a child can speak they have been exposed to much lying from their parents, siblings, TV, etc... Children naturally imitate those around them.
That is a red herring and you know it.
It is not. Not one person here (except for one or two hyper-Calvinists) believes little babies deserve to go to hell. The very thought is repulsive to almost everyone. Why? Because deep down almost everyone knows babies are innocent of sin. They do not
deserve to be punished. And so even folks who CLAIM they believe babies are sinners invent ways for babies to be saved, they will say God shows them some special grace and saves them without faith in Christ. That goes against all scripture.
I on the other hand do not believe babies and little children are guilty of sin, and I have scripture like Romans 9:11 to support my view.
Rom 9:11 (For the children being not yet born,
neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth; )
Jacob and Esau had not sinned in their mother's womb, if they would have died at this point, should they go to hell? NO.
Do many babies die in the womb or shortly after being born?
MILLIONS. This is why I believe the 99 just persons who never went astray are babies.
Yes, they deserve it like you do. We all deserve it. There is not one of us who don't. What did an infant do to "deserve" being in the presence of God?
Sick. Babies have not sinned, therefore they deserve no punishment.
Another red herring; another topic.
Wrong.
Even though this is another topic, it is a simple belief in the mercy of God.
You believe babies are saved without faith in Jesus. That is a HUGE problem. I on the other hand believe children have not sinned and have scripture to support this view. You have absolutely ZERO scripture to support your view.
And you are wrong. It is a misapplication of Scripture.
According to whom?
You are reading into Scripture something that is not there. Nowhere in that parable is any baby mentioned.
In Matthew 18 Jesus tells the same exact parable and uses the words
LITTLE ONES.
Mat 18:12 How think ye? if a man have an hundred sheep, and one of them be gone astray, doth he not leave the ninety and nine, and goeth into the mountains, and seeketh that which is gone astray?
13 And if so be that he find it, verily I say unto you, he rejoiceth more of that sheep,
than of the ninety and nine which went not astray.
14 Even so it is not the will of your Father which is in heaven, that one of
these little ones should perish.
My view is absolutely scriptural.
No he didn't. You just think he did. You read into Scripture what you want to read. It is eisigesis.
Perhaps it is that you cannot understand parables.
But it is apparent you don't know Jesus' doctrine.
This is the whole point, it is Jesus that spoke of 99 just persons who never went astray and need no repentance, it was Jesus who told of the elder son who never transgressed his father's commandment at any time. If Original Sin is true, Jesus must have forgot about it, because there could be no such persons.
Of course, if little children are not born sinners, such persons do exist, many millions of them.
Where does he speak about that? I don't know what you are talking about.
Sinless people. Jesus spoke of 99 just persons who have never gone astray and need no repentance. Go read.
He does, and so what is your point? You were a child of hell too until you repented and came to Christ. Every person is. They are born that way; born into Satan's family. Thus the necessity of the "new birth," being born into God's family. At birth you are born into the wrong family. Your beliefs make null and void the necessity of the new birth.
That is your assumption, I believe a person becomes a child of the devil when they willingly and knowingly choose to join themselves to sin. I believe this is clearly shown in the parable of the prodigal Son.
Luk 15:15 And he went and joined himself to a citizen of that country; and he sent him into his fields to feed swine.
The prodigal rejected his father who represents God and joined himself to a citizen of the far country he went into. I believe this represents Satan. This is when the prodigal son spiritually died.
Wrong.
It is a figure of speech. He is referring to his own "children," that is his disciples.
You are the one who is wrong, it directly states he is speaking of children.
Mat 18:2 And Jesus called
a little child unto him, and set him in the midst of them,
3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become
as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.
This is your problem, you need to put down men's books and actually read your Bible.
A sheep is a sheep and a son is a son. Neither one was "lost" spiritually as in unsaved. They had gone astray. Jesus said "my sheep hear my voice and they follow me. I give unto them eternal life and they shall never perish." He wasn't lost (unsaved).
Jesus knows "his sheep" by foreknowledge. Jesus knows who will come to him. Nevertheless, they go out in sin and become lost, just as the one sheep went out and became lost in Luke 15.
Jesus also showed the father had TWO sons. The prodigal was not lost at first. But when he went out in sin and repented, his father said he had been LOST and DEAD (never said of believers), but now he was alive AGAIN. If we are born lost, no man could ever be said to be alive AGAIN.
Luk 15:24 For this my son
was dead, and is alive again; he was lost, and is found. And they began to be merry.
Believers are never said to be DEAD and LOST.
An elder son is not a child. Your interpretation is weird.
Take a class in hermeneutics.
He had been there many years because he died as an infant. He had ALWAYS been with his father.
Luk 15:31 And he said unto him, Son,
thou art ever with me, and all that I have is thine.
I don't expect you to see and understand this.
NE believes that little babies and children go to hell.
