Reformed1689
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Seeking God and following him is the desire to please and glorify God, not get yourself out of jail.
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I'm not sure this statement holds up to scrutiny. We live in a world where masses of people seek to escape addictions and other deleterious sins, like anger, regret, fear and other negative behaviors (sins).
Therefore, how can it be true that the natural man is content with his bondage?
Reformed1689
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Does he hate and want to rid himself of all sins? Or just the ones causing him pain? That's the difference.
The other issue is the natural man will strive to cast out his demons through his own power where he controls everything. The natural man will never bow the knee to God if that means giving up control.
atpollard
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[Deu 15:12-17 NASB] 12 "If your kinsman, a Hebrew man or woman, is sold to you, then he shall serve you six years, but in the seventh year you shall set him free. 13 "When you set him free, you shall not send him away empty-handed. 14 "You shall furnish him liberally from your flock and from your threshing floor and from your wine vat; you shall give to him as the LORD your God has blessed you. 15 "You shall remember that you were a slave in the land of Egypt, and the LORD your God redeemed you; therefore I command you this today. 16 "It shall come about if he says to you, 'I will not go out from you,' because he loves you and your household, since he fares well with you; 17 then you shall take an awl and pierce it through his ear into the door, and he shall be your servant forever. Also you shall do likewise to your maidservant.
Definition of slavery
1a: the practice of slaveholding (not applicable to this context)
b: the state of a person who is a chattel of another (like Satan)
2: submission to a dominating influence (like Sin)
3: DRUDGERY, TOIL (not applicable to this context)
Every single sin causes suffering.
LOL read their confession of faith.
Semi-presbyterians.
Hardly Calvinists.
Their idea of God is so loving you'd probably throw up.
5th Article
Of Creation
We believe that it is God who created the Universe out of
nothing (19); that He is the Preserver and Ruler of all
things (20), above all things and omnipresent; that He
created man according to the Divine likeness morally (21),
capable to commune with Him, free in order to choose between
good and evil and responsible before His Maker and Lord (22).
19. Gen. 1:1, 2:1-2, Psalms 8:1-9, 104:24
20. Acts 17:24, Col. 1:17
21. Gen. 1:27, 1 Cor. 11:7
22. Deut. 30:15, Joshua 24:15
8th Article
Of Salvation and Election
We believe that God due to His immense love towards the world
gave His only begotten Son as Savior of sinners (32), and
through His Gospel freely offers His almighty salvation to
all men (33); that God in his unfathomable good pleasure has
procured unto Himself a people, an innumerable multitude,
elected in Christ for holiness, service and salvation (34).
32. John 3:16, Rom. 5:8, 1John 4:9
33. Ezekiel 18:23, 1 Tim. 2:3, 2 Pet. 2:9
34. Deut. 7:6, Deut. 14:2, Ephes. 1:4-5, 1 Pet. 2:9-10
12th Article
Of the Gospel
We believe that God, desiring all men to be saved and come to
the knowledge of the truth (54), has commanded, through His
Son Jesus Christ, the Church to preach to all nations the
Gospel of grace (55), through which the remission (of sins)
and eternal life is freely granted to all men (56), calling
all, at the same time, to abandon sin and to accept rest
through faith in our Lord Jesus Christ (57).
54. 1 Tim. 2:4, 2 Pet. 3:9
55. Mark 1:15, Rom. 1:15-16
56. Mark 16:15, Acts 2:38
57. Jeremiah 6:16, Mat. 11:28-29
NOPE.....no GREEK CALVINISTS.
The idea that If God likes you, you are saved and if he doesn't you are damned is common concept found even in pagan religion.
What sets Jesus apart is his love for all even putting his own life on the line for others, rather than the typical megalomaniac.
God is actually good, actually noble.
What sets Jesus apart is his love for all even putting his own life on the line for others, rather than the typical megalomaniac.
God is actually good, actually noble.
Reformed1689
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God is also holy and just and also has holy wrath.
Let's be real. There is NOTHING in any human for God to like. God's choice in redeeming whom He wills is and has never been about liking someone. God HATES sin. Therefore God hates the sinner.
Why God chooses to redeem some and not all is a mystery God chooses not to reveal to His creation. Since there is no one above God who can force Him to reveal how He chose, we humans must simply recognize that the Bible says what it says and we must either love God or hate God for being God. Being King means God is not obligated to tell you anything. And since we are all sinners, we ought to be grateful that God in His mercy and kindness chose to graciously redeem us rather than justly condemn us as we deserve.
Let it be known that the Father loves the Son and all who are in the Son. Those outside of the Son are hated because they are rebellious sinners who have no redemption.
The idea that God's choice is about liking someone can only come from one whose theology is faulty in the first place.
Why God chooses to redeem some and not all is a mystery God chooses not to reveal to His creation. Since there is no one above God who can force Him to reveal how He chose, we humans must simply recognize that the Bible says what it says and we must either love God or hate God for being God. Being King means God is not obligated to tell you anything. And since we are all sinners, we ought to be grateful that God in His mercy and kindness chose to graciously redeem us rather than justly condemn us as we deserve.
Let it be known that the Father loves the Son and all who are in the Son. Those outside of the Son are hated because they are rebellious sinners who have no redemption.
The idea that God's choice is about liking someone can only come from one whose theology is faulty in the first place.
Tsalagi
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That's not what the Bible says. Jeremiah 26:13 - "So now, correct your ways and deeds and obey the voice of the LORD your God so that He might relent concerning the disaster that He warned about." Jeremiah 36:3 - "Perhaps when the people of Judah hear about all the calamity I plan to bring upon them, each of them will turn from his wicked way. Then I will forgive their iniquity and their sin.”
Tsalagi
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Nonsense, Scripture nowhere says this. "God so loved the world" of sinners (John 3:16). David was a man after God's own heart (1 Samuel 13:14). "I have loved Jacob" (Malachi 1:2). Abraham was the friend of God (James 2:23). All of them were sinners, as are we, yet God loves us. You're replacing biblical truth with a false theological construct.
Alan Gross
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God so Loved the world of the Gentiles and not just exclusively, the Jews.
God does not Love everybody. Is is where heretics get this false religion?
Nothing in these sinners caused God to Choose them or Love them. God hates Esauh. God Hates sin.
Men love darkness, such as imagining 'God Loves us'/ meaning everyone,
rather than Light, that once these people were Saved, they had a Like-Spirit with God, Who is Spirit that He is Friends with.
Otherwise no.
God has no liking of darkness, including the lost and false doctrine.
If Jesus Died for one person who, then, went to hell, there is no Savior.
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Reformed1689
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Out of context. Next.
Reformed1689
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You apparently did not actually read @AustinC post....
All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.
The Lord tests the righteous, but his soul hates the wicked and the one who loves violence.
For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
All those sinners were redeemed by God's choice, not by their works.
Holy Wrath is not YOUR Wrath.
And not your HOLY either.
God is not a angry chimp that throws a fit because he forced you to do wrong.
A Lump of Mud has never sinned. I'm pretty sure that falls short of the glory of God too.
No one made such a claim, except you.
Are humans the same as a lump of mud? You have no argument and thus you speak gibberish.
James 1:17-18
Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of lights with whom there is no variation or shadow due to change. Of his own will he brought us forth by the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.
NLT - James 1:17-18
Whatever is good and perfect is a gift coming down to us from God our Father, who created all the lights in the heavens. He never changes or casts a shifting shadow.
He chose to give birth to us by giving us his true word. And we, out of all creation, became his prized possession.
Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of lights with whom there is no variation or shadow due to change. Of his own will he brought us forth by the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.
NLT - James 1:17-18
Whatever is good and perfect is a gift coming down to us from God our Father, who created all the lights in the heavens. He never changes or casts a shifting shadow.
He chose to give birth to us by giving us his true word. And we, out of all creation, became his prized possession.
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