Perhaps. But I have enough comprehension to know Jesus is not simply “an aspect of the Trinity.”
God cannot be divided against himself.
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Martin Luther on Galatians 3:13
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Perhaps. But I have enough comprehension to know Jesus is not simply “an aspect of the Trinity.”
God cannot be divided against himself.
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I agree, He is not just an aspect of the trinity. He is an induvidual being, Its how he could set aside his dirty and come to earth
But God is perfect justice. He can not deal with sin. When your and my sin was placed on the body of Christ. The other two could not look on him. Their perfect character and righteousness could not do it. Thats why Jesus had to become man. So he could do what he did. Because as himself in perfect form. He could not do what he did.
There is so much happening at the cross. Having to do with the person of Christ. The dirty of God and the character and essence of God. I do not think very many people actually see what is happening.
If we look at psalm 22, we see the cry of Jesus, He cry’s out. Why are you so far from helping me, and why are you so far from the words of my groaning.
I think people do not understand completely the impact of sin is on the character of God. Jesus could not just take our sin on his body without any consequences. He understood the payment he had to pay. Man did not punish or chasten Jesus for our sins by beating him to an inch of his life. His chastening on our behalf occured during that time he was forsaken by 2 of the said trinity. Because of sin.
God is Holy.
Terminology is important here.
There is one being...God...and 3 persons within the Godhead. God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit. They are equally God and also distinct persons of the Godhead.
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The dirty of God? Are you aware God is perfect in his essence? He cannot become dirty. If he did, then he is not God.
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yes, I know this
It is a mystery I agree,
I also know that God can not be in the presence of sin. Hence the separation which comes as a result of sin.
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it was a typo, it was supposed to say diety.
Even so. Jesus became sin for us. In that moment, He bore the sin of us all..
God cannot spiritual die!
Except that he seems to be asserting that Jesus died spiritually, and God cannot do that, and he would have had to get born again if such was true!
he experienced the wrath and judgement of the father towards sin, and yet remained Holy and blameless, hence never spiritually dead!
Jesus never set aside his deity, never ceased to being God!
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if your saved already your right, you have eternal life
But you were born spiritually dead as we all were
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sorry, But we must have different interpretations of what spiritual death is.
So I do not see how we can even come to an agreement.. If you will not even acknowledge what I am saying in my definition (even if you have a different definition) Then there is no reason to continue
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um, yes he did. God can't die. he can't suffer or feel pain. He also has all power. Jesus had to use the power of the HS.
He does not slip off out of his divinity. He is unchangeable.
And yes, God most certainly did die. This is because God became man. We call it the Incarnation.
" Then Jesus, calling out with a loud voice, said, 'Father, into your hands I commit my spirit!' And having said this he breathed his last." (Luke 23:46-47)
"For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures." (1 Cor 15:3)
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Again, We have a difference of interpretation.
I do not know what you all call it. But Jesus left his essence, Diety, whatever you want to call it aside.
He did not come omnipresent
He did not come omnipotent.
He did not come with his complete essence
If he did he could not sin, and he could not die.
God is unchangeable. He cannot and does not slip out of his divinity like Superman stepping into the crystal chamber with the red Kryptonian to remove his superpowers.
And Jesus did not sin. He is incapable of sin because he is God. God is sinless in his essence. Sin is an imperfection and if God sinned, he would cease to act perfectly. A God who sins contradicts his own perfection and is therefore not God at all.
I thought this was a pretty basic Christian teaching. I am always surprised by the beliefs of others on these forums!
Returning to Isaiah 53:12, where Jesus "bore" the sin the many. Sin has two aspects, our thought or action not in accordance with God's will, and the consequence required by God's holiness and perfect justice for that sin. Here the consequence of sin is in view. His substitutionary sacrifice provided the means for taking the consequence for sin out of the way (nailing it to the cross, so to speak.) Thus when God places an individual into Christ's propitiatory shelter, the consequence for the individual's sin is turned away, thus the individual is forgiven, justified, made righteous by the circumcision of Christ, the washing of regeneration.
This is Kenneth Copeland heresy.
The Hypostatic Union teaches that Christ, in the incarnation, has two distinct natures, one divine and one human. They never blended, so that Christ was not a deified human or a humanized deity. He never laid aside His deity.
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