Matthew 24, 25 - Not to Christians??

There are two differing scenes presented in the end-times period in scriptures, “Tribulation” and “Wrath”. One conveys the idea of a time of trouble, the other conveys the judgment of God on a sinful world.

I think the problem lies in most people try to combine these two, and believe a pre-tribulation Rapture is necessary to avoid Gods judgments. So they try to disassociate Matthew 24 from the Church to only the Disciples. I say it is not so!.

The early Church suffered horrible tribulation at the hands of the Romans, and later in the inquisition period. Since God is no respecter of persons, what makes the Church of today differ from that of centuries ago.

Here is one verse, out of several that makes it pretty evident to whom our Lord was speaking.

John 15:20
20 Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also.
KJV

Are we not his servants, if not? then we must be serving another Master.

 

Samuel Owen: //The early Church suffered horrible tribulation at the hands of the Romans, and later in the inquisition period. Since God is no respecter of persons, what makes the Church of today differ from that of centuries ago.//

There is no difference.
The Tribulation period is not about the people to be
raptured/resurrected before the Tribulation period but
are about God's plan to save the whole Jewish/Israeli
nation.

Some time in the 22½-years I've participated in Bulletin
Boards (bbs) I've written a paper called
'five tribualtions'. (It may be on the earlier pages of this
topic?? But I thought I'd present it again so Bro. Sam
and peruse it.)

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The Five Tribulations
of the Holy Bible
Contrasted and compared
by ed

The following terms are used in the Holy Bible to denote
tribulation: tribulation, distress, afliction, trouble

1. tribulation due to the human condition
WHO: all the sons and daughters of Adam & Eve
WHAT: heartaches, pains, troubles, distresses, disappointements,
affliction, trouble, ordeal, suffering, wretchedness,
misfortune, worry, care, hardship, agony,
anguish, torment, adversity,
travail of a woman giving birth, disease, cancer,
famine, plague, fatigue, depression, etc.
WHEN: From Adam's explusion from the Garden of Eden
to the day a new heaven & new earth is created by
God, AKA: time as opposed to eternity
WHERE: worldwide
WHY: God only knows why, it is just the way things are,
maybe it has to do with the fall of man in the Garden of Eden?

2. tribulation of Christian Martyrdom
WHO: those Christians chosen by the Holy Spirit for special honor
WHAT: persecution by non-Christians: Pagans, athiests, and
even people who call themselves "Christian" but aren't
WHEN: 33AD to the start of the millinnial kingdom of Jesus
WHERE: worldwide
WHY: many are called to follow Jesus;
few are chosen to the honor of the spiritual
gift of martyrdom

3. tribulation of the Jews scattered among the Gentiles
WHO: Yisrael dispersed among the goy
WHAT: persecution by non-Christians: Pagans, athiests, and
usually people who call themselves "Christian" but aren't
WHEN: during the time of the Gentiles
(from Mount Calvary to Mount Olivet)
WHERE: worldwide
WHY: punishment for rejecting Messiah Jesus

4. "The Tribulation period" of those ruled by the Antichrist
(AKA: Wrath of the Lamb /Revelation 6:17/ )
WHO: citizens of the world
WHAT: a fate worse than death (Rev 6:15-17, Rev 9:6)
WHEN: during the 70th week of Daniel (first half)
WHERE: worldwide
WHY: punishment for rejecting Lord Jesus

5. "The Great Tribulation period" of those ruled by the Antrichrist
WHO: people who take the mark of the beast
WHAT: the wrath of God
WHEN: during the 70th week of Daniel (last half)
WHERE: worldwide
WHY: punishment for rejecting Lord Jesus

Note that Tribulation types #1, #2, and #3 are measured in travail units;
tribulation types #4 and #5 are measured in time units.

Here are the names/descriptions of the Tribulation
Period found in the O.T.:

The tribulation in Deut 4:30
the day of Israel's calamity in Deut 32:35, Obadiah 1:12-14
the indignation in Isaiah 26:20, Daniel 11:36
the overflowing scourge in Isaiah 28:15,18
The Lord's strange work in Isaiah 28:21
The year of recompence in Isaiah 34:8
The day of vengeance in Isaiah 34:8, 35:4, 61:2
The time of Jacob's Trouble in Jeremiah 30:7
The day of darkness in Joel 2:2, Amos 5:18, 20; Zephaniah 1:15
See also Zephaniah 1:15-16.:

 

Matt.24,25 Not to Christians?

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WHY IS IT A WASTE OF YOUR TIME TO BACK UP YOUR ASSUMPTION THAT
"THERE WILL BE NO CHRISTIANS IN THE TRIBULATION PERIOD TO DO ANY
THING TO THE JEWS"?

Your response shows a repeated tactic of ignoring the issue! Your stated
view is that no one coming through the great tribulation can be Christian!! Brother, instead of your teaching being Biblically based, I consider your view regarding Trib-Saints to be an evidence of "departure from truth", i.e., apostasy!!!

Mel Miller www.lastday.net

 

Mel Miller: //WHY IS IT A WASTE OF YOUR TIME TO BACK UP YOUR ASSUMPTION THAT
"THERE WILL BE NO CHRISTIANS IN THE TRIBULATION PERIOD TO DO ANY
THING TO THE JEWS"?

I didn't say that would be a waste of my time.

If there is a pretribulation rapture/resurrection of the
Church Age, mostly gentile, saved, born-again,
redeemed, and elect staints (i.e. Christians); then
there will be no Real Christians during the Tribualtion
period to deal with Jewish/Israeli folk.

I've done nothing in all the years I've interacted with you
Brother Mel, save prove/show/demonstrate the
truth of the pretribulation rapture/resurrection of the
Church Age, mostly gentile, saved, born-again,
redeemed, and elect staints (i.e. Christians).

Now, what about the 'Tribulation Saints'?

There are two types of 'Tribualtion Saints':
1. the Jewish/Israeli elect saints
2. any Gentiles (if any) that don't take the mark will be
saved and will have their head chopped off.
(note the Gentile Tribulation Saints do not exist
as a 'group' of Christians.

 

I believe that MA 25: 31-46 should be interpreted and accepted for exactly what it literally says. It is a description of The Judgment which will be for "all nations" and will occur following Christ's triumphant Second Coming. No mention of the tribulation or the millennial kingdom. Just a straightforward division of the sheep, who will enter "life eternal" and the goats, who "shall go away into everlasting punishment."

 

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StraightAndNarrow,

What scriptural support do you find that qualifies any nation DURING THE
ENDTIME to "inherit the kingdom" over which Christ will rule OTHER than
Christians or Unbelieving Jews who "beg for mercy when Christ appears"?

Is that future Kingdom for Jews also intended for some unidentified nation (called "sheep" since Jesus will separate the "nations") that will disobey the Antichrist and secretly support the Jews during Great Tribulation??

Why would Jesus offer another way of sharing the rule of the Kingdom if those saved during the Endtime have been "washed in the blood of the Lamb" ... Or do you believe, like ED, that "there will be no Christians to
deal with the Jews during the Tribulation???

What I am getting at is that Christians who "rule the Millennial Kingdom"
will rule with the Jews! I don't believe that some unknown nation is now
developing that will secretly resist the Antichrist and his minions in order
to protect the Jews during the great tribulation!! I don't even see what
nation would (or could) qualify to "treat the Jews as they would treat Jesus" UNLESS they are Christians!!!

DO YOU? If so, WHY?? If not, WHAT'S the argument about???

Who but Christians during the Tribulation, under threat of decapitation by the Beast's death-squads, would even think of treating Jews kindly? Who but Jewish Unbelievers would "beg to stand before the Son of Man" and desire to inherit the Kingdom after suffering potential martyrdom even as non-Christians?? Do you think there will be any nation that might secretly be the "sheep" OTHER than JEWS or CHRISTIANS???

If you believe in a literal 1000-Year time for "Christ to sit on His throne"
(Matt.25:31), why must you insist that He "separate the nations" at the beginning of His Reign over "Nations" that will be totally compliant with His rule AT THE START? [Everybody else will have been "destroyed at Christ's Presence; Rev.11:18; 2 Thess.1:7-10]. Do you agree that, AT THE END of the Millennium, there will be countless enemies who gather against the Saints?? Why not acknowledge the more logical time for Jesus to separate whole "nations" (as will surely be the case at Rev.20:8) must be a RESULT of identifiable nations coming into existence during His 1000-Year-Reign???

Mel Miller www.lastday.net

 

What evidence do you have that the millenial kingdom (if there is one) will last for all eternity? In the MA 25 Judgement Christ is determining the eternal destiny of everyone that ever lived. That's what it says in the Bible.

 

Mel Miller: // ... Unbelieving Jews who "beg for mercy
when Christ appears" ... //

Remind us where these words come from.

StraightAndNarrow: //In the MA 25 Judgement Christ is determining the eternal destiny of everyone that ever lived. That's what it says in the Bible.//

Remind us where & how the Bible says that.
I find the judgement of the SHEEP NATIONS
and GOAT NATIONS to not be about individuals.
Also, there is the millinnial Kingdom of God and
the eternal Kingdom of God - two different Kingdoms
(though i'm sure some may be in both).

 

StraightAndNarrow: //It says "all nations" meaning all people
will be judged based on what we have done for
the least of these my brethren.//

IMHO Matthew 25:31-46 says 'all nations' meaning each and
every nations that survives the Tribulation period.
For Jesus 'my brethren' is the physical nation of Yisrael.
Hense my statement: "Judged by their treatment of Yisrael"

StraightAndNarrow: //MA 25 says nothing about "God blessing those who bless Yisrael and cursing those who curse Yisrael." //

You are correct, Matthew 25 doesn't mention this.

God said to Abraham when Israel was in his loins:

Gen 12:3 (KJV1611 Edition):
And I will blesse them that blesse thee,
and curse him, that curseth thee: and in thee shal
all families of the earth be blessed.

So i see nothing wrong with saying:
//WHY: The Lord God fulfills His promises: God will bless those
who bless Yisrael and curse those who curse Yisrael//

(free:
Heb 7:9 And as I may so say, Leui also who receiueth tithes, payed tithes in Abraham.
Heb 7:10 For hee was yet in the loynes of his Father when Melchisedec met him.

I note that this refers to the loins of Abraham,
forefather of Israel, forefather of Levi.
So any promise said to Abraham was also made to Israel.

So i see nothing wrong with saying:
//WHY: The Lord God fulfills His promises: God will bless those
who bless Yisrael and curse those who curse Yisrael//

Differencers betweeen the Matthew 24:31-46
Sheep & Goat Nations judgements:

A. NO resurrection
B. Living Nations judged'
C. ON THE EARTH (Joel 3:2)
D. No books mentioned
E. Three Classes names: 'Sheep', 'Goats', 'Brethren'
F. Time - before the Millinnial Kindom of Messiah Jesus


and the Revelation 20:11-15 judgement:
A. a Resurreciton
B. DEAD judged
C. location not specified (heaven, hell, earth?)
D. Books Opened
E. One Class named : 'THE DEAD'
F. Time - After the Millinnial Kingdom of Messiah Jesus


The three classes of people:
1 Corinthians 10:32 (KJV1769):
Give none offence, neither to the JEWS,
nor to the GENTILES, nor to the CHURCH OF GOD

Other supporting scriptures:
2 Cor 5:10, 1 Cor 3:11-15

The Judgement of Believers for 'works':

1Co 3:11-15 (KJV1611 Edition):
For other foundation can no man lay, then that is laide,
which is Iesus Christ.
1Co 3:12 Now if any man build vpon this foundation, gold,
siluer, preciousstones, wood, hay, stubble:
1Co 3:13 Euery mans worke shall be made manifest.
For the day shall declare it, because it shall
bee reuealed by fire, and the fire shall trie
euery mans worke of what sort it is.
1Co 3:14 If any mans worke abide which he hath built thereupon,
he shal receiue a reward.
1Co 3:15 If any mans worke shall bee burnt,
he shall suffer losse: but he himselfe shall be saued: yet so, as by fire.

If any man builds upon the foundation good things,
then He is REWARDED.
If bad things then he shall NOT BE REWARDED (suffer loss)
but STILL BE SAVED.

Hello, this is JUDGEMENT but a way milder judgement
for believers than that WHITE THRONE JUDGEMENT
where ALL there will be tossed into everlasting hell fire


The five crowns are part of this judgement.
(Note that these crowns are rewards, NOT punishment)

1. incorruptible crown
The Victor's crown
1 Cor 9:25-27

2. crown of life
Martyr's Crown
Rev 2:10

3. crown of glory
Elder's Crown
1 Pet 5:2-4

4. crown of righteousness
For those who Love His Appearing
2 Timothy 4:6

5. Crown of rejoicing
Soul Winner's Crown
1 Thess 2:19-20

 

Matt.24-25 Not to Christians?

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My friend,

I would disagree that the Judgment of Matt.25 determines the destiny of
all people. Rather it determines the destiny of "sheep and goats" who do or do not qualify to inherit the eternal kingdom on the earth as a separate kingdom to that of the New Jerusalem. The nations that are saved will enter the New Jerusalem at any time to be "healed of the leaves of the tree of life". That function does not apply to the Lamb's Bride.Rev.21:24-26; Rev.22:2,14.

Please note that Jesus does not require belief in the Gospel of Grace to
"inherit this eternal kingdom"; but only the requirement of treating the
least of Jesus' brethren as they would treat Him. Notice too that the sheep who inherit the Kingdom actually wonder how they had met the qualification. The goats having nothing to say about their destiny!

Those who suddenly realize (know) their "kingdom is near", as of the second coming of Christ (Luke 21:31), are not dependent upon having kept the requirement laid out in Matt.25. For Jews are instructed to
"pray to escape all the things happening and to prevail to stand before
the Son of Man". There is no prior knowledge given to the sheep of the inheritance in Matt.25 because they learn, after the fact, that they had inherited the eternal kingdom on the earth!!

Also, the Martyrs coming out of the great tribulation will know in advance
that they will begin to "serve God in the Temple of heaven for 1000 years" before the New Jerusalem "comes down out of heaven".

In Rev. 3:12 for "serving God in the TEMPLE", it does not mention the "timing" to terminate the Temple in the New Jerusalem (Temple is there until a New H & E. Rev.21:22). But with Rev.7:14 and Rev.20:4-7, and the sudden change from Aorist Indicative (past tense) to Subjunctive Mood in vs.3,5,7 (future intent) for the 1000 years, the Reign must agree with the timing for Rev.7:14-17. Their Reign begins after the Martyrs come out of great tribulation and from under the Altar at the End of the Age. The Lamb will shepherd them in heaven only after the "First Resurrection"!!!

Mel Miller www.lastday.net

 

Matt.24-25 Not to Christians?

 

I was a pre-trib believer for many years, until I really began to seek the scriptures. I went from a mid-trib position to yet another, and final opinion.

But I don't force my opinions on anybody, and always say if the pre-tribbers are correct then "Great". But then what if they are wrong?. This could cause a great falling away, that would make William Millers 1844 great disappointment look small in comparison.

Christ tell us during this time period the love of many will grow cold, in Matthew 24, there must be a reason for that. Pre-trib assumes an immanent rapture that no one expects, but Paul said we are not in darkness, that we are children of light, and that day would not overtake us as a thief. And that we were not destined for Gods wrath, not that we would not suffer times of trouble, even great troubles.

I am not one to make great long posts, but I will try to assemble the necessary scriptures. And make a post, hopefully on this thread if it doesn't run out of steam first. If it does I will start a new thread a little later.

 

Greetings, Brother Samuel, and welcome,

I notice that your profile lists you as non-denominational, with no home church. Under the Baptist Board rules as I understand them, only Baptists are permitted to post in the Baptist debate forums.

There is, however, down the menu a Christian Debate Forum open to all. You are welcome to post there or any of the Fellowship Forums. This would be a good place to start that new thread on eschatology you mentioned.

In your introductory post you described yourself as non-denom, but that your viewpoints were more of a Baptist nature than any other.

Even with that being the case, I doubt if that will qualify you to post on the Baptist Debate Forums.

But that's only my opinion, and this may more properly be a call for the moderator to make.

At any rate, your posts that I have read are articulate and reasoned. You are a welcome addition and I hope you enjoy your time here.

Oh--and we have our share of zanies here, too.

 

Well I have one of those Paul things, I was baptized in a Baptist Church in 1952 (and attended for many years), and am still I supposed on their member roll - Somewhere?.


But prefer to hold to a non denominational view point. So in effect I have a home church, although I don't attend. I do however often visit several Baptist Churches. But don't really visit any nondenominational churches.

The bottom line is, I just don't proclaim any certain denomination, preferring just to remain Christian. So I guess that is what makes me non-denominational.

 

Matt.25 to Christians?

Friends,

This has been an interesting subject. I see it as a challenge to knowing
what God has planned for those of the nations "left that come against
Jerusalem" and who must thereafter come to worship God! Zech.14:16;
Rev.15:4. This is when God will "show mercy to ALL so that knowledge
of the Lord will cover the earth like the waters cover the sea!! "All will
know Him from the least to the greatest"!!!

I was hoping someone would respond to the following paragraph:

"The Jews who suddenly realize (know) their "kingdom is near", as of the second coming of Christ (Luke 21:31), are not dependent upon having kept the requirement laid out in Matt.25! For Jews are instructed to
"pray to escape all the things happening and to prevail to stand before
the Son of Man"!! There is no prior knowledge given to the sheep of the inheritance in Matt.25 because they learn (are surprised), after the fact, that they had inherited the eternal kingdom on the earth!!!

Mel Miller www.lastday.net

 

Christ didn't come down to appear in the midst of the seven churches. This is what Rev. 1 says.

Rev 1:4 John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace [be] unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne;
Rev 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, [who is] the faithful witness, [and] the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,
Rev 1:6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him [be] glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.
Rev 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they [also] which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.
Rev 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
Rev 1:9 I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Rev 1:10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,
Rev 1:11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send [it] unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.

The reference to "he cometh with clouds" is to the Second Coming. He tells John to write to the seven churches. If Christ is standing on the earth in the middle of the seven churches why did John need to write to them?

 

I hope you didn't go to the position that When the Lord comes
again (only once, even though in His first Coming He came twice)
the world will end right then (like Mel Miller).

We eagerly await your writing(s). I've been working
8-10 years on mine. Here is one I think is really cool:
Starred commens are my own comments restating
what the Bible says.
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"AGE" in the New King James Version (nKJV).

The KJV tends to confuse the Greek "aeon" /age/ and
Greek "cosmos" /world/ and calls them both "world".
So i'll use the nKJV for my word study on "age".
References to how old someone is (AKA: "age") have been eliminated.


Mt 12:32 (nKJV):
Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man,
it will be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit,
it will not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come.
*how (if?) you live in the next age depends on how you lived in this age

Mt 13:39 (nKJV):
The enemy who sowed them is the devil, the harvest
is the end of the age, and the reapers are the angels.

*souls shall be harvested at the end of this age

Mt 13:40 (nKJV):
Therefore as the tares are gathered and burned in the fire,
so it will be at the end of this age.

Mt 13:49 (nKJV):
So it will be at the end of the age. The angels will come
forth, separate the wicked from among the just,

Mt 24:3 (nKJV):
Now as He sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came
to Him privately, saying, "Tell us, when will these things be?
And what will be the sign of Your coming,
and of the end of the age?"

Mt 28:20 (nKJV):
teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you;
and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age." Amen.

*Jesus is with us completely to the end of the age.
*the age has an end

Mr 10:30 (nKJV):
who shall not receive a hundredfold now in this time--houses
and brothers and sisters and mothers and children and lands,
with persecutions--and in the age to come, eternal life.

*people will have eternal life, in the age to come

Lu 18:30 (nKJV):
who shall not receive many times more in this present time,
and in the age to come eternal life."

Lu 20:34-35 (nKJV):
34. And Jesus answered and said to them, "The sons of this age marry
and are given in marriage.
35. But those who are counted worthy to attain that age,
and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry nor are given in marriage;

*there is a future age when marriage is NOT, after resurrection from the dead

1Co 1:20 (nKJV):
Where is the wise? Where is the scribe? Where is the disputer
of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?

*this age has a disputer

1Co 2:6 (nKJV):
However, we speak wisdom among those who are mature,
yet not the wisdom of this age, nor of the rulers of this age,
who are coming to nothing.

*the wisdom of this age will come to nothing
*the rules of this age will come to nothing

1Co 2:8 (nKJV):
which none of the rulers of this age knew; for had they known,
they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

1Co 3:18 (nKJV):
Let no one deceive himself. If anyone among you seems
to be wise in this age, let him become a fool that he may become wise.

2Co 4:4 (nKJV):
whose minds the god of this age has blinded, who do not believe,
lest the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ,
who is the image of God, should shine on them.

*the god of this age is NOT Jesus, the Christ

Ga 1:4 (nKJV):
who gave Himself for our sins, that He might deliver
us from this present evil age, according to the will
of our God and Father,

*this age is evil

Eph 1:21 (nKJV):
far above all principality and power and might and dominion,
and every name that is named, not only in this age
but also in that which is to come.

*there is an age to follow this age

Eph 6:12 (nKJV):
For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities,
against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age,
against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places.

* this age is dark

1Ti 6:17 (nKJV):
Command those who are rich in this present age not to be haughty,
nor to trust in uncertain riches but in the living God, who gives
us richly all things to enjoy.

* this age has rich people in it

Tit 2:12 (nKJV):
teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts,
we should live soberly, righteously, and godly in the present age,

Heb 6:5 (nKJV):
and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come,

This great section on the Security of the Believer
speaks of an "age to come".
* there will be "good ... powers" in the age to come.

AGES in the KJV1769:

Eph 2:7 (KJV1769):
That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches
of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.

**There will be ages after this age.

Eph 3:5 (KJV1769):
Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men,
as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;

Eph 3:21 (KJV1769):
Unto him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages,
world without end. Amen.

Col 1:26 (KJV1769):
Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages
and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:

*There were ages before this age.
*ages are similiar to generations

 

StraightAndNarrow: //The reference to "he cometh with clouds" is to the Second Coming.//

Amen, Brother StraightAndNarrow -- Preach it! :thumbs:

How can Jesus appear to the whole world in water clouds?
Look at the picutres of earth from space, the whole world
is NEVER covered with water clouds everywhere at once.
Obviously Jesus must bring the clouds with Him.

Hebrews 12:1 (KJV1611 Edition):
Wherefore, seeing wee also are compassed about
with so great a cloude of witnesses, let vs lay aside
euery weight, & the sinne which doth so easily
beset vs, and let vs runne with patience vnto
the race that is set before vs,

Rev 19:14 (LKV1611 Edition):
And the armies which were in heauen
followed him vpon white horses,
clothed in fine linnen, white and cleane.

These armies of the Church Age Saints will look like
a cloud from a distance with their white horses,
white cloths, etc.

 

Matthew 24, 25 - Not to Christians??

IMHO it is primarily for Jews.
However, Christians may see what God has planned for
the Jews and rejoice that a time is coming when
all living Jews will be saved.

Mel Miller: //I was hoping someone would respond to the following paragraph:

//"The Jews who suddenly realize (know) their "kingdom is near", as of the second coming of Christ (Luke 21:31), are not dependent upon having kept the requirement laid out in Matt.25! For Jews are instructed to
"pray to escape all the things happening and to prevail to stand before
the Son of Man"!! There is no prior knowledge given to the sheep of the inheritance in Matt.25 because they learn (are surprised), after the fact, that they had inherited the eternal kingdom on the earth!!!//

This was so far off base that I couldn't really recognize what you are
talking about or whom you are quoting. I do have a problem that I don't know how
to get e-Sword to make a search of a sequence of words. But it appears to me
perchance these aren't a quote from the Bible, at least not the KJV1769 Edition,
KJV1611 Edition, or the Geneva Bible, 1587 Edition.

Mel Miller: //For Jews are instructed to
"pray to escape all the things happening and to prevail to stand before
the Son of Man"!!//

Reminds me a bit of this verse:

Luke 21:36 (KJV1611 Edition):
Watch ye therefore, and pray alwayes, that ye may be accompted
worthy to escape all these things that shall come to passe,
and to stand before the sonne of man.

But is the Book of Luke for Jews only?
I read it as as being for the chruch age saint (Christian)
as well as the Jewish/Israeli Saint.

Won't the Jews know they are being saved in the Tribulation period:
I beleive this is how the Lord will save the Jewish/Israeli Saints
for the last half of the Tribulation/Wrath of God Period:

Rev 12:14 (KJV1611 Edition):
And to the woman were giuen two wings of a great Eagle,
that shee might flee into the wildernesse into her place,
where she is nourished for a time, and times,
and halfe a time, from the face of the serpent.

1t + 2t = ½t = 3½-years

Won't these Jews have information about thenselves getting
saved by the Lord?

 

The hoops you dispys have to jump through to make since out of scripture is remarkable!

Dispensationalism = Giant waste of time, paper and money