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MartyF

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FollowTheWay said:
White Nationalists and Nazi's are far RIGHT. Your are simply parroting the Trump approach of saying your enemies are responsible for what you do.
Were the Nazis Socialists?
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It's obvious you are suffering from Trump derangement syndrome as you are blaming everything on Trump. I suggest professional help.

You are unable to express your own views or even summarize the view of the leftist website Snopes. You are the one parroting - not me. Leftists normally accuse others of what they are guilty of.

FollowTheWay said:
Although the terms “left” and “right” as used in American politics can be somewhat less than perspicuous, they are helpful in delineating the basic ideological divide between liberalism/progressivism (as embodied mainly by the Democratic Party) on one side (“the left”), and conservatism/traditionalism (as embodied mainly by the Republican Party) on the other (“the right”). Seen as a spectrum or continuum of ideologies, socialism/communism traditionally falls on the far left end of this scale, nationalism/fascism on the far right.
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No. It's not helpful.

Let's look at the issues.

1. Government control of the means of production. Hitler - Check : Tojo - Check : Stalin - Check : Mao - Check Kim - Check

2. Censorship. Hitler - Check : Tojo - Check : Stalin - Check : Mao - Check Kim - Check

3. Squashing Human rights. Hitler - Check : Tojo - Check : Stalin - Check : Mao - Check Kim - Check

4. Mass executions. Hitler - Check : Tojo - Check : Stalin - Check : Mao - Check Kim - Check

5. Taking advantage of poorly defended neighbors. Hitler - Check : Tojo - Check : Stalin - Check : Mao - Check Kim - Check

6. Racism as Social Policy. Hitler - Check : Tojo - Check : Stalin - Check : Mao - Check Kim - Check

7. Cult of personality. Hitler - Check : Tojo - Check : Stalin - Check : Mao - Check Kim - Check

I guess I could do an infinite number of examples and you'd still worship your propaganda.

FollowTheWay said:
The plain truth, writes Historian Richard J. Evans in The Coming of the Third Reich, was that Hitler and his party saw socialism, communism, and leftism generally as inimical to everything they hoped to achieve:
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He's not the greatest historian in the world and you are taking him completely out context in his book. I really doubt you've bothered to read his trilogy. At times Hitler sided with and later opposed many groups on his way to complete power. Stalin opposed socialists and communists on his way to obtain complete power. Just because other communists were inimical to Stalin doesn't mean that Stalin wasn't a communist. Just because Trotsky was opposed by Stalin doesn't mean that Trotsky wasn't a communist. Stop being silly.

Can you stop parroting George Soros and think for yourself?
 
evenifigoalone

evenifigoalone

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Yeshua1 said:
is it wise and right to disobey God?
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Government's role should be as limited as possible, that should include not policing it's citizens' day-to-day lives. Role of government should be limited to protecting it's citizens from direct and immediate harm.

We are told in the NT (forget where) that we judge fellow believers differently than we do non-believers--if a fellow believer is caught in sin, we are to hold them accountable. We are not to do the same with non-believers.

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Reynolds

Reynolds

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questdriven said:
Can you read some of the statements of people on this website and honestly tell me that it's "just disagreement"? There's a very real disdain for anything not far right here, the word liberal is pretty much treated as a synonym for "evil". That definitely goes deeper than simple "disagreement".
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I think liberalism is evil. Your point?
 
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Yeshua1

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questdriven said:
Government's role should be as limited as possible, that should include not policing it's citizens' day-to-day lives. Role of government should be limited to protecting it's citizens from direct and immediate harm.

We are told in the NT (forget where) that we judge fellow believers differently than we do non-believers--if a fellow believer is caught in sin, we are to hold them accountable. We are not to do the same with non-believers.

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Both saved and lost should uphold the Law of God, correct?
 
FollowTheWay

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From the Encyclopedia Britannica:
Were the Nazis Socialists?

Hitler allied himself with leaders of German conservative and nationalist movements, and in January 1933 German President Paul von Hindenburg appointed him chancellor. Hitler’s Third Reich had been born, and it was entirely fascist in character. Within two months Hitler achieved full dictatorial power through the Enabling Act. In April 1933 communists, socialists, democrats, and Jews were purged from the German civil service, and trade unions were outlawed the following month. That July Hitler banned all political parties other than his own, and prominent members of the German Communist Party and the Social Democratic Party were arrested and imprisoned in concentration camps. Lest there be any remaining questions about the political character of the Nazi revolution, Hitler ordered the murder of Gregor Strasser, an act that was carried out on June 30, 1934, during the Night of the Long Knives. Any remaining traces of socialist thought in the Nazi Party had been extinguished.​
 
evenifigoalone

evenifigoalone

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Yeshua1 said:
So Mankind is not accountable to God in how we live?
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A non-believer's task is to repent and receive Jesus. Forcing a Christian lifestyle on them through law isn't going to accomplish that--and it won't stop them from sinning either. Just like with guns: more laws will not stop them

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Reynolds

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questdriven said:
A non-believer's task is to repent and receive Jesus. Forcing a Christian lifestyle on them through law isn't going to accomplish that--and it won't stop them from sinning either. Just like with guns: more laws will not stop them

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We should legalize stealing and murder because we sure dont want to legislate morality.
 
evenifigoalone

evenifigoalone

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Reynolds said:
We should legalize stealing and murder because we sure dont want to legislate morality.
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Laws are based on mortality, but there is stuff most everyone can agree on, that they want to be reasonable safe from direct and immediate harm, and there is stuff that is only based on religion. Or would you rather we have laws imposed on us by Jewish or Muslim that outlaws pork because they believe eating pork is immoral and everyone needs to follow that view whether they are part of that religion or not.

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questdriven said:
Laws are based on mortality, but there is stuff most everyone can agree on, that they want to be reasonable safe from direct and immediate harm, and there is stuff that is only based on religion. Or would you rather we have laws imposed on us by Jewish or Muslim that outlaws pork because they believe eating pork is immoral and everyone needs to follow that view whether they are part of that religion or not.

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Exactly. Common sense has to prevail at some point. It’s all fun and games until someone legislates their version of morality from their religion of choice.
 
Reynolds

Reynolds

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questdriven said:
Laws are based on mortality, but there is stuff most everyone can agree on, that they want to be reasonable safe from direct and immediate harm, and there is stuff that is only based on religion. Or would you rather we have laws imposed on us by Jewish or Muslim that outlaws pork because they believe eating pork is immoral and everyone needs to follow that view whether they are part of that religion or not.

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Laws are imposed by the majority. It was a tiny minority who wanted Sodomy legalized. They got their wish due to activists courts. Now the nation is running over with queers.
 
evenifigoalone

evenifigoalone

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Reynolds said:
Laws are imposed by the majority. It was a tiny minority who wanted Sodomy legalized. They got their wish due to activists courts. Now the nation is running over with queers.
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Majority rule isn't quite how the US government works. We are not a pure democracy, we are a democratic republic.

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Reynolds

Reynolds

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questdriven said:
Majority rule isn't quite how the US government works. We are not a pure democracy, we are a democratic republic.

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It actually is how it was designed to work. Early history of the nation proves that.
 
Reynolds

Reynolds

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questdriven said:
Actually, if you make a claim the burden of proof is on you. Not me

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You made an unsubstantiated claim. I responded with an unsubstantiated claim. The first burden substantiate rests with you.
 
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