My Advice to President Trump

[Reformed1689]

And this is coming from someone who thought that President Biden was going to lose the election, and then that the electoral college wouldn't confirm it, and then that the votes wouldn't be ratified.

Who is President Biden? There is no such person at this time. And Joe Biden won an illegal election.

 

[Reformed1689]

He misled his supporters into thinking the election could be overturned. He exaggerated the provable fraud in the election. He acted as if Kemp could legally change the results of Georgia. He acted as if Pence could stop the counting of the certificates.

It could have been. It should have been. But the Establishment is full of cowards.

 

[Reformed1689]

They killed a cop the other day... bashed his head in with a fire extinguisher.

DO NOT lump all Trump supporters in with the hooligans of Wednesday. That is wrong and you know it.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

You are straying from my original post and thus lost its meaning. Go back and read what I wrote in response to your own experience with "liberal progressive" Christians, though the ones I've dialogued with would be better labeled Progressive Left Christians. The comments are in relation to their thinking not mine. I'm a Christian, but neither a Progressive Leftist nor a liberal progressive. If you want to argue this, you'll need to argue with them. Good luck with that.

I have no interest, really it doesn’t concern me. My interest lies in my continued relationship with my Lord and savior first, then my wife and family, then my making money.

It is interesting to me at least that I live in a state that has had no riots, no looting, no arson etc. we all live in a state of mutual harmony and respect without the apparent haters portrayed by the media. I’ve not experienced any of that vitriol. My wife yesterday cried when she saw a panhandler in our community, standing in the exit area of a mini mall where we picked up groceries and her prescription drugs for her cancer. This was noteworthy because she is normally a stoic and I’ve not seen her shed a tear all through her 2 month hospitalization, her cancer treatments, her not being able to see her family because of COVID, etc. but she began to cry... really cry at the sight of this panhandler. That was a moving moment and one that brought me closer to her.

maybe my community, my state, my home may look odd to you, heartless to you, liberal to you but they are Jersey Tough and they generally work together, pray together and love one another irregardless of held political positions, race, economics etc.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

DO NOT lump all Trump supporters in with the hooligans of Wednesday. That is wrong and you know it.

I didnt

 

[JonC]

It could have been. It should have been. But the Establishment is full of cowards.

I disagree that they are full of cowards. They are full of self-focused politicians.

I do need to make something very clear (something that I think is being lost). I am not a "never-Trumper". I believe that President Trump has done more for our nation than any President since I've been able to vote. And I voted for him both times. He is not the reason that I have decided I will not vote again.

The main problem that Trump had was controlling his tongue. This cost the GOP the Senate. It most likely will have consequences in 2022. It will probably cost the GOP Georgia in 2023. It cost the GOP the election in 2024. It has ended the viability of the "Trump movement" as a political force. It will end Pence's political career.

So I see Kemp and Pence a bit differently. They did not lack courage. If courage was involved it was the opposite (they did not act illegally to support Trump). To be fair, I am not sure Kemp would have done the same if there was a good chance for a Trump win. But I do not think he wanted to take the chance of going to jail given the odds. I believe Pence would have done the same regardless. He seems to be a man of integrity.

 

[Reformed1689]

I disagree that they are full of cowards. They are full of self-focused politicians.

I do need to make something very clear (something that I think is being lost). I am not a "never-Trumper". I believe that President Trump has done more for our nation than any President since I've been able to vote. And I voted for him both times. He is not the reason that I have decided I will not vote again.

The main problem that Trump had was controlling his tongue. This cost the GOP the Senate. It most likely will have consequences in 2022. It will probably cost the GOP Georgia in 2023. It cost the GOP the election in 2024. It has ended the viability of the "Trump movement" as a political force. It will end Pence's political career.

So I see Kemp and Pence a bit differently. They did not lack courage. If courage was involved it was the opposite (they did not act illegally to support Trump). To be fair, I am not sure Kemp would have done the same if there was a good chance for a Trump win. But I do not think he wanted to take the chance of going to jail given the odds. I believe Pence would have done the same regardless. He seems to be a man of integrity.

I agree with you except on two things. I do think Kemp could have done more. And I don't think Trump's tongue cost the GOP. I firmly believe that with legal votes the GOP won in all cases.

 

[Reformed1689]

I didnt

It sure reads like you did.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

You say that ad naseum so maybe we should say that Biden is a traitor for his economic relationship with the CCP and the Chinese military.

So what

 

[Salty]

Jon - basically agree with you - Yes - Trump gets in trouble with what he says - He is used to being a CEO - and can do pertty much what he wants - without any problem - but as POTUS - it doesnt quite work that way.

Remember when Trump said something about murdering someone on Fifth ave? Anyone with half a brain knew he was not being literal - yet - some people.....

Granted - Trump was never a politician - and saw no need to act "Presidential"
He just did what he did - the way he saw it.

and now, we are back to a POTUS who plays the game.

 

[JonC]

Jon - basically agree with you - Yes - Trump gets in trouble with what he says - He is used to being a CEO - and can do pertty much what he wants - without any problem - but as POTUS - it doesnt quite work that way.

Remember when Trump said something about murdering someone on Fifth ave? Anyone with half a brain knew he was not being literal - yet - some people.....

Granted - Trump was never a politician - and saw no need to act "Presidential"
He just did what he did - the way he saw it.

and now, we are back to a POTUS who plays the game.

Of all Trumps accomplishments, I believe showing the contrast between the people and the political establishment is the greatest.

 

[church mouse guy]

I agree with you except on two things. I do think Kemp could have done more. And I don't think Trump's tongue cost the GOP. I firmly believe that with legal votes the GOP won in all cases.

Is Kemp credibly accused of taking a bribe from Dominion? I imagine that the 27 states who used Dominion have a lot of people who received gifts from Dominion.

 

[JonC]

Is Kemp credibly accused of taking a bribe from Dominion? I imagine that the 27 states who used Dominion have a lot of people who received gifts from Dominion.

I'd imagine all states have received gifts from contractors involved in the election.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

I agree with you except on two things. I do think Kemp could have done more. And I don't think Trump's tongue cost the GOP. I firmly believe that with legal votes the GOP won in all cases.

So you are saying you believe that trump did not alienate people by his crude behavior and in your face vitriolic commentary? If so please take a tour into the suburbs and talk to those women, then take a walk into the black communities and speak with them, then take a tour through the Latin communities... particularly the ones with high concentrations of Puerto Ricans and Mexicans/ South Americans. Speak to them... discuss the myriad issues then tell me the opinion they have about trump.

You know, if trump spent time with them instead of dismissing them as irrelevant, coming from (snip) Hole countries then he might have been president today but of course... not so much

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

I'd imagine all states have received gifts from contractors involved in the election.

Without a doubt

 

[Reformed1689]

So you are saying you believe that trump did not alienate people by his crude behavior and in your face vitriolic commentary? If so please take a tour into the suburbs and talk to those women, then take a walk into the black communities and speak with them, then take a tour through the Latin communities... particularly the ones with high concentrations of Puerto Ricans and Mexicans/ South Americans. Speak to them... discuss the myriad issues then tell me the opinion they have about trump.

You know, if trump spent time with them instead of dismissing them as irrelevant, coming from Shite Hole countries then he might have been president today but of course... not so much

1. Trump INCREASED in those categories in voting. He received MORE votes than before. So that kind of debunks your theory.
2. He was right about the categorization of those countries though I would have chose different words.
3. I didn't say anything about what Trump did or did not do except that his words are not what lost the GOP the election. The cheating of the Democrats did.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

1. Trump INCREASED in those categories in voting. He received MORE votes than before. So that kind of debunks your theory.
2. He was right about the categorization of those countries though I would have chose different words.
3. I didn't say anything about what Trump did or did not do except that his words are not what lost the GOP the election. The cheating of the Democrats did.

I said go and talk to them. So before you start expressing yourself with your fake information, do the hard work and have conversations with these people.

 

[Reformed1689]

I said go and talk to them. So before you start expressing yourself with your fake information, do the hard work and have conversations with these people.

And what part of my information was fake? Do tell....

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

And what part of my information was fake? Do tell....

Everything

 

[Reformed1689]

Everything

So he didn't increase his vote total?