Narnia

[Phillip]

Is Narnia in the public domain? Is there a copy on the net?

 

[Phillip]

That was probably a dumb question since it was written in the 50's.

 

[Johnv]

Originally posted by Phillip:
Is Narnia in the public domain? Is there a copy on the net?

No. The original stories are still under copyright, and the aforementioned videos are likewise under copyright.

 

[eloidalmanutha]

Originally posted by Phillip:
...and watching a fantasy movie that includes obvious FAKE magic such as riding on broomsticks is Satanic, right? The magic and Satnic rituals the Bible refers to was actual religious rites and worship. There is a big difference between this and make-believe.

1Sa 15:23 For rebellion [is as] the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness [is as] iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the LORD, he hath also rejected thee from [being] king.

Deu 18:10 There shall not be found among you [any one] that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, [or] that useth divination, [or] an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch,

2Ki 17:17 And they caused their sons and their daughters to pass through the fire, and used divination and enchantments, and sold themselves to do evil in the sight of the LORD, to provoke him to anger.

Act 16:16 And it came to pass, as we went to prayer, a certain damsel possessed with a spirit of divination met us, which brought her masters much gain by soothsaying:

Gal 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, worldy jealousies, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, 21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.


Jesus said that sin is birthed in the heart. If you lust after a woman, you have committed adultery. If you hate your brother, it is as if you have murdered him.

If you seek out magic [witchcraft] as a form of entertainment, it is as if you have committed the act itself - this is called grieving the Spirit of God, in my opinion, and is considered sin. Please reconsider what you are doing.

 

[Phillip]

Obviously, you didn't hear a THING that I said.

 

[eloidalmanutha]

Originally posted by Johnv:
My only caveat is that the battle scene might be too much for the youngest viewers (below the age of 6). But the battle scene (for that matter, the entire movie) is completely devoid of blood and gore, without detracting one bit from the scenes.

uhhh . . . err . . . I think you forgot about the wolves chasing the kids, the stabbing of aslan to death, the horrible scene of the demons dancing around the altar, the chase of Edmund by the white witch in her sleigh pulled by wild bears, etc ad nauseum. I think most kids will freak out. Very healthy viewing - all in the name of God of course.

 

[eloidalmanutha]

Originally posted by Phillip:
Obviously, you didn't hear a THING that I said.

oh, I heard what you said - perhaps we have differing views as to what is acceptable to God. Of course those pesky new translations may take one down a differing path.

 

[Phillip]

That's a whole other debate. It belongs in the BVT forum.

I would certainly be careful about what you say regarding the Word of God.

 

[Johnv]

Originally posted by eloidalmanutha:
uhhh . . . err . . . I think you forgot about...

No, I didn't forget. I'm speaking as an objective reviewer, not a selfrigteous legalist. I stand by my review. The only scene that may be a bit too much for younger viewers is the battle scene.

 

[Phillip]

Originally posted by eloidalmanutha:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Johnv:
My only caveat is that the battle scene might be too much for the youngest viewers (below the age of 6). But the battle scene (for that matter, the entire movie) is completely devoid of blood and gore, without detracting one bit from the scenes.

uhhh . . . err . . . I think you forgot about the wolves chasing the kids, the stabbing of aslan to death, the horrible scene of the demons dancing around the altar, the chase of Edmund by the white witch in her sleigh pulled by wild bears, etc ad nauseum. I think most kids will freak out. Very healthy viewing - all in the name of God of course. </font>[/QUOTE]Wow, sounds like stories in the Bible. The horrible killing of Christians by stoning and crucifiction. The stories of slaughter of pagans in the Old Testament by those following God's command as they took the promised land. The killing of the giant by David. I was taught these stories since I was a child and I certainly don't remember FREAKING OUT at any of them. Should we restrict what Sunday School teachers teach to kids?

All in the name of God, of course.

 

[Joshua Rhodes]

uhhh . . . err . . . I think you forgot about the wolves chasing the kids,

Only one wolf, the "sheriff", actually catches the children or touches Peter. The rest of the time, the wolves are outsmarted by the children, or outrun.

the stabbing of aslan to death,

Actually showed no blood at all, and was done as a sacrifice in place of Edmund. Come to think of it, in all the fighting and battle scenes there is no blood. So much for your refute of the "no blood and gore" comment that Johnv made.

the horrible scene of the demons dancing around the altar,

Don't remember the dancing, or the tune... just remember the taunting of the lion.

the chase of Edmund by the white witch in her sleigh pulled by wild bears,

Actually, this never happened. The sleigh she chases the children in is pulled by "fearsome" reindeer with jingle bells on their harnesses. Her chariot pulled by polar bears is only seen in the battle... which she quickly abandons to get out and fight... in fact... the polar bears generally walk the whole time.

etc ad nauseum.

The way I feel about your argument.

I think most kids will freak out. Very healthy viewing - all in the name of God of course.

Again, your opinion. What is your geunine beef? We've already shown that EVEN LEWIS DIDN'T BILL THIS STORY AS A PERFECT ALLEGORY. Even the nature of allegory is such that it isn't a verbatim transfer of the story... then it would cease to be allegory and start to become plagerism. Just don't see the movie. Don't read the books. Don't condemn those of us that enjoy a good story, and can glean good qualities and morals from those stories.

In His Grip,
joshua

 

[eloidalmanutha]

Originally posted by Phillip:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by eloidalmanutha:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Johnv:
My only caveat is that the battle scene might be too much for the youngest viewers (below the age of 6). But the battle scene (for that matter, the entire movie) is completely devoid of blood and gore, without detracting one bit from the scenes.

uhhh . . . err . . . I think you forgot about the wolves chasing the kids, the stabbing of aslan to death, the horrible scene of the demons dancing around the altar, the chase of Edmund by the white witch in her sleigh pulled by wild bears, etc ad nauseum. I think most kids will freak out. Very healthy viewing - all in the name of God of course. </font>[/QUOTE]Wow, sounds like stories in the Bible. The horrible killing of Christians by stoning and crucifiction. The stories of slaughter of pagans in the Old Testament by those following God's command as they took the promised land. The killing of the giant by David. I was taught these stories since I was a child and I certainly don't remember FREAKING OUT at any of them. Should we restrict what Sunday School teachers teach to kids?

All in the name of God, of course. </font>[/QUOTE]The Biblical accounts are stated simply, not graphically portrayed on the silver screen in an edifying and glorifying way. As a former SS teacher, the depth and content of Biblical stories is defined by age and maturity. For some crazy reason, I am a firm believer in accepting God's perspective, not hellywood's, nor through the eyes of mythology. God did not use magic/witchcraft to tell His Story. He told us that magic/witchcraft is wrong and gave examples why that is so.

 

[eloidalmanutha]

Originally posted by Joshua Rhodes:

Again, your opinion. What is your geunine beef?

#1) Narnia contains no beef - it's generic soy burger at best [no offense to vegetarians ]

#2) Boredom with the Word of God and giving oneself over to the glitz and imagery of the next flick billed as "the best" evangelism tool of the millenium.

#3) Contending for the faith has become defense of mythology, drama, magic, violence, special effects - because God didn't capture the moment and appeal to "feelings".

#4) Allegorical hype that has nothing to do with Jesus Christ, the redemptive process that gave us life, and His finished work - all of which cost an extreme price. No comparison to the "deep magic of aslan". As God said, no one is like Him . . .

 

[Joshua Rhodes]

Great. Thanks for stating your beef. Now, quit condemning those of us who don't agree.

In His Grip,
joshua

 

[Johnv]

Originally posted by eloidalmanutha:
The Biblical accounts are stated simply, not graphically portrayed on the silver screen...

Which cannot by any means be construed as being a scriptural ban on film potrayals on biblical narratives, or stories that parallel biblical negatives. At best, it is an expression of personal opinion, which I can respect, but only to the point at which personal opinion does not cross the line as being confused as a biblical mandate. You have repeatedly crossed that line, which does not deserve respect, but does deserve admonishment.

Narnia contains no beef ... Boredom with the Word of God ... Contending for the faith ... Allegorical hype

Which, again, is an expression of personal opinion, which I can respect. But you once again cross the line of confusing personal opinion with biblical mandate.

These types of arguments are very typical of the KJVO crowd in defense of a nonexistent doctrine. Likewise, that defense is easily refuted. I don't wish to turn this into a KJVO debate, but the fact that the arguments parellel in such abundance is worth note.

 

[eloidalmanutha]

Originally posted by Johnv:

Originally posted by eloidalmanutha:
The Biblical accounts are stated simply, not graphically portrayed on the silver screen...

Which cannot by any means be construed as being a scriptural ban on film potrayals on biblical narratives, or stories that parallel biblical negatives.

And therein lies the problem, as I see it. The Bible is not about negatives. It's about sin and reconciliation to God through the sacrifice of His Son. God sent Jesus as a Sacrificial Lamb prophetically spoken of through the sacrificial system. Comparing aslan's sacrifice for the life of edmund, has zero similarity to Biblical invectives.

Narnia is a magical movie that appeals to the senses, the feelings, and excitement for all the world has to offer. It cannot be about God because God will not share His glory with any one. And christendom has elevated the movie business above the Word of God.

ps: I am not KJVO - what does that have to do with this topic I think I smell a smokescreen

 

[Johnv]

Originally posted by eloidalmanutha:
And therein lies the problem, as I see it. The Bible is not about negatives.

My bad. I meant to say "biblical narratives".

It (Narnia) cannot be about God...

No one is claiming that it's "about" God. It is a movie whose storyline contains scriptural parallels. There's nothing scripturally inappropriate about that. One may not personally like it, and that is a person's right, which I respect and support.

And christendom has elevated the movie business above the Word of God.

I don't know a single person here on this board, or with whome I'm associated with, who has elevated the movie business, or this movie, above the Word of God. I patently denounce anything that is placed at or above the level of scripture, and would do so here if it were being done so. It is, in fact, not being done so. The only people who seem to be elevating the Narnia film to the level of scripture are the anti-Marnia folks, because that is the only way their arguments can hold water. But in doing so, they are doing the exact thing they accuse others of.

ps: I am not KJVO - what does that have to do with this topic...

Never said you were. I stated that the parallel arguments were noteworthy. That's all. Don't read too much into my comment.

 

[Salamander]

Oh, OK, JohnV, everytime some one makes a valid arguement, you automatically shift into "attack KJVO mode".

Seems to be something arie in your "logic".

Anytime a parallel to Truth occurs, it is not exactly the Truth, thus it becomes allegory, which is NOT Truth. So tell me what is wrong with one adhering to the Truth??

 

[Salamander]

Originally posted by Phillip:
That's a whole other debate. It belongs in the BVT forum.

I would certainly be careful about what you say regarding the Word of God.

Pot calling kettle black?

Nothing amiss in the previous comments about those who hold to newer translations more accepting of modern nuances in movies and television sitcoms, we're living in the 2000's now Phillip: Welcome!

 

[eloidalmanutha]

Posted by Johnv:
No one is claiming that it's "about" God. It is a movie whose storyline contains scriptural parallels. There's nothing scripturally inappropriate about that. [qb]

h m m m m ....... back in the olden days, basic scripture 101 foundational stuff: God = Scripture. Is God a four footed lion that uses deep magic to rise from the dead? Is satan a woman dressed in white who stabbed Jesus in the chest with a sword? etc ...........