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poncho

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I have no problem with reasonable protections of the environment. I just don't like people trying to invent Bible verses to support it.

Or enforce it on others. And I agree with Curtis. I don't care much for the hypocrite approach to it either. Al Gore is a shinning example of that approach.
 
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Arbo

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I reject the premise that rejection of propoganda means I want to destroy the earth. It is a liberal trick. The same argument they use that if we aren't pro-choice, we want pregnant teenagers to die in alleyways. It's ridiculous.

...Or that those who want immigrants to come here legally are racists.
 

Havensdad

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As I understand the concept of being granted dominion over creation, as in vs. 26, there is a responsibility for its proper use.

Nope. Means to conquer and subdue. It can even refer to annihilation. Used when one army conquers another.
 

Arbo

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Nope. Means to conquer and subdue. It can even refer to annihilation. Used when one army conquers another.

The concept that (before man's fall, when death had not entered the picture yet) that God commanded man to annihilate all the fish, birds, and animals that He created does not make sense. Seems flawed to me.
 

quantumfaith

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I have no problem with reasonable protections of the environment. I just don't like people trying to invent Bible verses to support it.

Genesis 2:15. No one is trying to invent scripture to support some wild idea here, just a simple principle that we are to take care of the environment of creation.
 

Havensdad

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The concept that (before man's fall, when death had not entered the picture yet) that God commanded man to annihilate all the fish, birds, and animals that He created does not make sense. Seems flawed to me.

I am not saying that it is speaking of destroying the earth and annihilating the animals. I am saying it CANNOT be speaking of some kind of environmental protection. Personally, combined with God's command to populate the earth, I would say it probably refers to taking over wild areas to form settlements...cutting down trees to build houses, cultivation, building dams, etc. etc.
 

Havensdad

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Genesis 2:15. No one is trying to invent scripture to support some wild idea here, just a simple principle that we are to take care of the environment of creation.

Which is not found anywhere in scripture. Doesn't mean it is good or bad, just that it is not found in scripture (like speed limits).

Genesis 2:15 is not about protecting the environment. Says nothing about that: its about working the ground (think farming without the hard work...)
 

Arbo

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Nothing in their about protecting the earth.

We are to SUBDUE (Kabash) the earth (literally to "tread down" or to conquer. It is a very negative word, that is used in several places in the Old Testament to denote annihilating an opposing army).

We are also to have dominion over the earth (radah). This also means to tread down, and is also a very negative term. For instance, Israelites are not to "radah" there brethren... "

Again, nothing in the scriptures about protecting trees, animals, and the environment. These things are all looked on as property of man that he is free to use however he desires.

Nope. Means to conquer and subdue. It can even refer to annihilation. Used when one army conquers another.

I am not saying that it is speaking of destroying the earth and annihilating the animals.
Really?

I am saying it CANNOT be speaking of some kind of environmental protection. Personally, combined with God's command to populate the earth, I would say it probably refers to taking over wild areas to form settlements...cutting down trees to build houses, cultivation, building dams, etc. etc.

Sounds like backpedaling...


I'm still wondering who invented what verses that you referred to earlier.
 

Havensdad

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There is your mentality right there, front and center...."winning".

Didn't say anything about winning. Personally, my goals are to get rid of ridiculous folk theology. However, when you cannot support your position with scripture, nor are you willing to change your position when you are shown to be incorrect, you in fact show that that is YOUR goal.
 

Havensdad

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Really?



Sounds like backpedaling...


I'm still wondering who invented what verses that you referred to earlier.

Could you please show where I am "backpedaling?" I said it "could" be used for annihilation. The verses are about taking over the planet, not about preserving some rare species of lizard.
 

Arbo

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I see this has become an argument for argument's sake, and thus unproductive.

Good evening to you.:wavey:
 

mandym

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I am surprised anyone has the nerve to defend man made global warming. It is an absurd notion that has been completely discredited by poor scientific techniques and personal agenda's as revealed by the email scandals. It appears the enviro extremists have backed up and regrouped with more bad science. I suppose they have learned how to hang on to the details of their conclusions even tighter so as not to let the cat out of the bag this time. I imagine people have better things to be concerned with.
 

Crabtownboy

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To believe that mankind has not had a big impact on the atmosphere is very unreasonable. After all look at what mankind has done to the landscape.
 

mandym

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To believe that mankind has not had a big impact on the atmosphere is very unreasonable. After all look at what mankind has done to the landscape.

What is unreasonable is to continue to promote this discredited junk science with fabricated results.
 
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