That deification of humanity does not seem to be what the Gospel message really is!
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New Era SBC President: a Mix of Reformed Baptist, Charismaticism
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Pretty clear what the new leader is teaching in regards to Muslims and Allah, correct?
Do you think that that is illogical?
IF he really holds to that, he is holding to a heresy in that area!
True. Additionally, the board members are acknowledging it by supporting him. This defies logic and is in the arena of spiritual deception.
No doubt. I once worked with a guy who was very brilliant in his job but believed that his JW relatives were Christians. Islam has such a low view of Jesus that it seems ignorant to postulate such ideas that Islam worships the same supreme being as Christians based on the idea that the Arabic word for God translates to God in English.
"Misconception 3: Muslims seek to know a different God than Christians do.
This is controversial, but hear me out. Muslims claim to worship the God of Adam, Abraham, and Moses. Many missionaries find it therefore helpful to start with Muslims using the Arabic term for God, “Allah” (meaning literally, “the Deity”), and from there to explain that the God Muslims seek to worship, the God of the Prophets, was the God present in bodily form in Jesus Christ, revealed most fully by him, and the One worshipped by Christians for the past two millennia. This is not the same as saying that becoming a Muslim is like a “first step to becoming a Christian.” And it certainly doesn’t mean that Islam is an alternate way of getting to heaven. It simply means that we are both referring to the only, One deity when we say “God.”
You might ask, “But isn’t the Islamic God so different from the Christian God that they cannot properly be called by the same name?” Perhaps. The question about whether to say that “Allah” refers to the wrong God (or to wrong ideas about the right God) is a highly nuanced one, and there’s not an easy answer. There is no doubt that Muslims believe blasphemous things about God, and their beliefs about Allah grew out of a distorted view of Christianity. The same could be said, though to a lesser degree, of the view of God of the first-century Sadducees, as well as the Samaritan woman, and (to an even lesser degree) the fifth-century Pelagian heretics—not to mention a lot of the medieval Scholastics.
The question is whether the presence of these heretical beliefs (and what degreeof heresy in them) demands that we say, “You are worshipping a different God.”Clearly, the Apostles did not say that about the first-century Jews who rejected the Trinity (even though Jesus said their father was the devil!). And Jesus did not tell the Samaritan woman in her ethnic, works-righteousness distorted view of God that she was worshipping a different God, either. Instead, he insisted that she was worshipping him incorrectly and seeking salvation wrongly. And I’ve never heard anyone say that the Pelagian heretics worship a different God, even though they have been regarded (rightly) as heretics.
At the same time, Paul never said, “Zeus’s real name is Jehovah,” as if the Greeks were worshipping the true God wrongly. So, the question is: is the Muslim view of Allah more like that of Zeus or of the Samaritan woman’s heretical conception of God? That’s a tough question, and one that we need to let the context determine. For instance, many Christians find the use of “Allah” more misleading than helpful. For them, “Allah” falls in the “Zeus” category.
On the other side, however, are many faithful Christians working among Muslims who approach the question of Allah much like Jesus corrected the Samaritan woman. “You are seeking to worship the one God, but you are wrong in your view of him, and wrong in how you seek salvation from him. Salvation is from the Jews.” In my time with Muslims over the years, I’ve found that to be a more helpful starting place. This isn’t driven by a desire to be politically correct, but by a desire to start where Muslims are, and to bring them to faith in the one and only Son of God, Jesus.
When talking with Muslims about the gospel, we need to eliminate any unnecessary distractions. The necessary ones, after all, will be tough enough. We must view Muslims with charity, refusing to pigeonhole them. We live in a world of stereotypes, but love can overcome what political correctness can’t. To listen to someone without prejudice is the beginning of loving them. In other words, “Do unto others” applies here as well: let’s see others as they would like to be seen."
Three Christian Misconceptions About Muslims – Summit Life with J.D. Greear
This is controversial, but hear me out. Muslims claim to worship the God of Adam, Abraham, and Moses. Many missionaries find it therefore helpful to start with Muslims using the Arabic term for God, “Allah” (meaning literally, “the Deity”), and from there to explain that the God Muslims seek to worship, the God of the Prophets, was the God present in bodily form in Jesus Christ, revealed most fully by him, and the One worshipped by Christians for the past two millennia. This is not the same as saying that becoming a Muslim is like a “first step to becoming a Christian.” And it certainly doesn’t mean that Islam is an alternate way of getting to heaven. It simply means that we are both referring to the only, One deity when we say “God.”
You might ask, “But isn’t the Islamic God so different from the Christian God that they cannot properly be called by the same name?” Perhaps. The question about whether to say that “Allah” refers to the wrong God (or to wrong ideas about the right God) is a highly nuanced one, and there’s not an easy answer. There is no doubt that Muslims believe blasphemous things about God, and their beliefs about Allah grew out of a distorted view of Christianity. The same could be said, though to a lesser degree, of the view of God of the first-century Sadducees, as well as the Samaritan woman, and (to an even lesser degree) the fifth-century Pelagian heretics—not to mention a lot of the medieval Scholastics.
The question is whether the presence of these heretical beliefs (and what degreeof heresy in them) demands that we say, “You are worshipping a different God.”Clearly, the Apostles did not say that about the first-century Jews who rejected the Trinity (even though Jesus said their father was the devil!). And Jesus did not tell the Samaritan woman in her ethnic, works-righteousness distorted view of God that she was worshipping a different God, either. Instead, he insisted that she was worshipping him incorrectly and seeking salvation wrongly. And I’ve never heard anyone say that the Pelagian heretics worship a different God, even though they have been regarded (rightly) as heretics.
At the same time, Paul never said, “Zeus’s real name is Jehovah,” as if the Greeks were worshipping the true God wrongly. So, the question is: is the Muslim view of Allah more like that of Zeus or of the Samaritan woman’s heretical conception of God? That’s a tough question, and one that we need to let the context determine. For instance, many Christians find the use of “Allah” more misleading than helpful. For them, “Allah” falls in the “Zeus” category.
On the other side, however, are many faithful Christians working among Muslims who approach the question of Allah much like Jesus corrected the Samaritan woman. “You are seeking to worship the one God, but you are wrong in your view of him, and wrong in how you seek salvation from him. Salvation is from the Jews.” In my time with Muslims over the years, I’ve found that to be a more helpful starting place. This isn’t driven by a desire to be politically correct, but by a desire to start where Muslims are, and to bring them to faith in the one and only Son of God, Jesus.
When talking with Muslims about the gospel, we need to eliminate any unnecessary distractions. The necessary ones, after all, will be tough enough. We must view Muslims with charity, refusing to pigeonhole them. We live in a world of stereotypes, but love can overcome what political correctness can’t. To listen to someone without prejudice is the beginning of loving them. In other words, “Do unto others” applies here as well: let’s see others as they would like to be seen."
Three Christian Misconceptions About Muslims – Summit Life with J.D. Greear
It simply means that we are both referring to the only, One deity when we say “God.”
Greear lies at this point. When Muslims say Allah they are referring to the god of the prophet Muhammad. When the Christians say God, they mean God the Father, God the Son Jesus, and God the Holy Ghost.
Greear lies at this point. When Muslims say Allah they are referring to the god of the prophet Muhammad. When the Christians say God, they mean God the Father, God the Son Jesus, and God the Holy Ghost.
Mat 7:6 KJV Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.
I do not think that we need to go down the road of nuance where by we ask do the Jews worship the same God as we do but just get some things wrong about Him, namely Jesus. That is a nuanced road that opens the door for all kinds of chaos. The Jews worship another God just as Muslims do.
1Jn 2:22 Who is the liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, he who denies the Father and the Son.
Jesus claimed to be the Son of God, proved by his resurrection, Muhhamed claimed that he was just a prophet, so NOT same God talking to us!
Muhhamed claimed that angel Gabriel spoke to Him, but he revelation denied that of Jesus as the Lord and Messiah, so was demonic!
Any who denies jesus is the Lord/Messiah, God Incanate, is antichrist, and so Muhhammed was speaking for Antichrist!
the jews know of the true God, as Yahweh had his Old Covenant with them, but when they deny Jesus as Messiah, they are refusing the new Covenant now with God!
Nope, you cant have it both ways. Jesus is the standard according to scripture. If you deny Jesus then you deny the one, true, and living God. They both, Jews and Muslims, worship another God. Your position is inconsistent and allows for all kinds of chaos.
The Jews had a real relationship with the real true God, Yahweh, and those who reject Jesus as the Messiah still know of Yahweh, as they read the OT, which were and are still inspired from God, but the Muslim NEVER know of the true God, as Allah is not Him!
Right, there is no Salvation in Judaism since the time the curtain in the Temple was rent is how I myself say it. The Jews may worship God the Father, but they do not worship the Trinity and so they are lost.
No Jew who has ever denied Christ has ever had a real relationship with God. They do not get brought into the group just because they are Jews. Jesus dealt with that in John 3 and Paul dealt with that in the book of Romans.
paul NEVER said that the jews did not know of the true God, but that unless they believe that Jesus is the Messiah, they would be lost in their sins.
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Many here need to understand the immense difference between “Allah” as the linguistic reference to “God” and “Allah” as the religious reference to the god of the Muslims.
Sometimes the references are one-in-the-same; sometimes they are not.
To insist, however, that they are always the same is to demonstrate a woeful ignorance about a great many things.
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Sometimes the references are one-in-the-same; sometimes they are not.
To insist, however, that they are always the same is to demonstrate a woeful ignorance about a great many things.
The Archangel
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