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Nine Tenets of Fundamentalism

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1689Dave

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Are you born again?
Are you physical?
Can flesh and blood inherit the Kingdom? No, that is why we die and are resurrected in spiritual bodies adapted for the Kingdom.

“It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.” (1 Corinthians 15:44)

“Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.” (Philippians 3:21)
 

Yeshua1

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Can flesh and blood inherit the Kingdom? No, that is why we die and are resurrected in spiritual bodies adapted for the Kingdom.

“It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.” (1 Corinthians 15:44)

“Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.” (Philippians 3:21)
Those not saved yet by God at the time of the second coming will not be glorifided, and will go into the kingdom state on earth as physical persons...
 

HankD

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Can flesh and blood inherit the Kingdom? No, that is why we die and are resurrected in spiritual bodies adapted for the Kingdom.

“It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.” (1 Corinthians 15:44)

“Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.” (Philippians 3:21)
You did not answer my questions Dave.
Are you born again?
Are you physical?
 

1689Dave

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You did not answer my questions Dave.
Are you born again?
Are you physical?
I'm born again and see the kingdom here now. But my body must be glorified before it can enter the kingdom because the kingdom is spiritual.

“That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.” (John 3:6)
 

1689Dave

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Those not saved yet by God at the time of the second coming will not be glorifided, and will go into the kingdom state on earth as physical persons...
Not possible. Only those in glorified bodies can enter the kingdom, flesh and blood cannot.
 

HankD

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I'm born again and see the kingdom here now. But my body must be glorified before it can enter the kingdom because the kingdom is spiritual.

“That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.” (John 3:6)
So you are not part of the kingdom but you can see it? Where is it?
 

37818

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If flesh and blood cannot enter the kingdom, it means only saints in glorified bodies are there for Satan to deceive after the end of the 1000 years end. How does this square with "perseverance of the saints?
Jesus` resurrected body was of flesh and bone (Luke 24:39). Our resurrected bodies will be like Christ's glorified body (Philippians 3:21).
 

Yeshua1

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Jesus` resurrected body was of flesh and bone (Luke 24:39). Our resurrected bodies will be like Christ's glorified body (Philippians 3:21).
So Dave1689 is wrong on his take regarding bodies in the Kingdom?
 

37818

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Satan is bound from deceiving the (elect) in the nations. But God uses him to judge the wicked every day. “He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.” (John 3:36)

If we go beyond bound so Satan cannot deceive the nations" we add to Revelation.

“And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more [saints preaching the gospel], till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.” (Revelation 20:3)
It is written, "Resist the devil . . ." (James 4:7). The Devil will not be bound until the time of the resurrection and rapture (Revelation 20:3-4).
 

Yeshua1

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It is written, "Resist the devil . . ." (James 4:7). The Devil will not be bound until the time of the resurrection and rapture (Revelation 20:3-4).
The devil will not be able to deceive and blind anymore, so at that time all earth will just be worshipping Jesus!
 

37818

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So Dave1689 is wrong on his take regarding bodies in the Kingdom?
Yes. Only the non-resurrected humans will have flesh and blood. They are being ruled by Christ and the now also immortal resurrected believers. And this for a 1000 years before the finial Judgement.
 

HankD

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The kingdom is spiritual, flesh and blood cannot enter it. In fact, one cannot see it unless born again. This proves it is not physical.
OK then in the millennium another entity will be assigned according to Revelation 20:6

First it was Adam thru Seth thru Abraham the people of God in the messianic family.
Then it was Israel - God's people gather together in the nation of Israel
Then it was/is the church - God's people gathered together into the church.
Then it will be - the Millennial saints gathered together into the Chiliadium - Revelation 20:6.
Then the New Jerusalem the Eternal Dwelling Place - The Kingdom of God where there will be no flesh and blood bodies.
 

1689Dave

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OK then in the millennium another entity will be assigned according to Revelation 20:6

First it was Adam thru Seth thru Abraham the people of God in the messianic family.
Then it was Israel - God's people gather together in the nation of Israel
Then it was/is the church - God's people gathered together into the church.
Then it will be - the Millennial saints gathered together into the Chiliadium - Revelation 20:6.
Then the New Jerusalem the Eternal Dwelling Place - The Kingdom of God where there will be no flesh and blood bodies.
The time line from now on is this, according to scripture. We are presently in the kingdom of God, Jesus ruling on David's Throne in heavenly Jerusalem according to Peter in Acts 2:30–31. Jesus reigns there until he defeats the last enemy - death. This happens in the resurrection on the last day 1 Corinthians 15:25–26. After the resurrection of believers comes the rapture followed by the demise of the universe and the new heavens and earth, This is the restoration of Israel (believers in Christ) where Jesus reigns forever over the new heavens and earth.

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