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I was not able to read it completely. Would fall asleep, very small print, etc...
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Nine Tenets of Fundamentalism
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I was not able to read it completely. Would fall asleep, very small print, etc...
1689Dave
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Jesus didn't mention a millennium in the gospels. Neither did any of the others. He uses 1000 years as a symbol for the saints reigning over Satan, binding him. The 1000 years are not the kingdom. Satan attacks the kingdom when loosed.
And then ushers in His kingdom for 1000 years upon this earth!
I have read it in my Logos software, so madse the text size bigger, and waded thru it over aperiod of time!Amazing
I was not able to read it completely. Would fall asleep, very small print, etc...
"Spiritual" can include the physical when a possession of the Lord
mortal men can be spiritual
Galatians 6:1 Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted.
1689Dave
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Following are a few passages that we need to consider before developing views on Revelation 20.
Please consider the spiritual nature of the Kingdom:
“And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.” (Matthew 3:2) (KJV 1900)
“And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.” (Matthew 11:12) (KJV 1900)
“Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.” (Matthew 16:28) (KJV 1900)
“Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.” (John 3:3) (KJV 1900)
“Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.” (John 18:36) (KJV 1900)
“And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:” (Luke 17:20) (KJV 1900)
“Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.” (Luke 17:21) (KJV 1900)
“But if I cast out demons by the finger of God, then the kingdom of God has already overtaken you.” (Luke 11:20)
“because we are not looking at what can be seen but at what cannot be seen. For what can be seen is temporary, but what cannot be seen is eternal.” (2 Corinthians 4:18)
“Now when the people saw the miraculous sign that Jesus performed, they began to say to one another, “This is certainly the Prophet who is to come into the world.”Then Jesus, because he knew they were going to come and seize him by force to make him king, withdrew again up the mountainside alone.” (John 6:14–15)
John mentioned it!
1689Dave
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As a symbol depicting Satan's binding by the saints. Otherwise, you contradict all that Jesus said about the kingdom.
You have to include what all of the Apostle said aboute the Kingdom, as they looked for Him to set it up at His returning!
As a symbol - Thus folks make the scripture say whatever they want it to say by faulty discernment and thereby misapplying symbols.
So we will just have to wait and see what actually happens.
Probably won't care by then
Interesting that the scenerio in Revelation is though that jesus has already returned before satan is Bound, so he woul dhve to be into preterism to claim it as he does!As a symbol - Thus folks make the scripture say whatever they want it to say by faulty discernment and thereby misapplying symbols.
So we will just have to wait and see what actually happens.
Probably won't care by then
1689Dave
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Do you expect to see any green horses or red dragons floating in outer space anytime soon?As a symbol - Thus folks make the scripture say whatever they want it to say by faulty discernment and thereby misapplying symbols.
So we will just have to wait and see what actually happens.
Probably won't care by then
1689Dave
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Paul didn't mention a physical millennium.
atpollard
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So when does that symbolic 1000 years of the saints binding satan and rendering him powerless until released start? Looking at the History Books and the News, I don't see it having started yet.
Your interpretation does not align with reality.
No. Please note I said "misapplying" symbols. many dispensational books correctly apply the the meanings of symbols and metaphors in the Book of Revelation, I believe you know that Dave.
In any case - What then is your own explanation (you don't need to answer) i.e. the 4 horsemen of the Apocalypse. I understand completely what the symbolism is and have a hermeneutic to explain them. I also believe there were 7 real not symbolic churches in Asia Minor to which the Revelation was sent.
However These 7 churches are also representative of churches in the 21st century e.g. The church of Laodicea representing lukewarm (wishy-washy) churches.
In Revelation 20 there is "the 1000 years" which I believe is literal.
So in the final analysis I repeat as I have for many years here at the BB. Our eschatological differences are explained by the different assignments (or not) that we give to what is considered "symbolic".
Having said that - I have no real problem of fellowship with you Dave and I respect your symbolic view of the millennium of Revelation 20 completely.
It would have to be after the second coming, as per the scxriptures!
Jesus first coming as fulfilling prophecies all in a physical sense, why would not His second Coming and end time events?
I just cannot see how an all spiritual millinium would fulfill the OT prophecies of the King ruling here on the earth!
1689Dave
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If we do not make Revelation conform to the clear teachings of Jesus about the kingdom, it becomes nothing more than a giant Rorschach test for ever prophecy buff stuffing their armchairs.
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