Nine Tenets of Fundamentalism

[HankD]

he was among hte premier Calvinists in History!

So no one was saved before his explanation of the gospel in Institutes of the Christian Religion ?

Have you read it?

 

[1689Dave]

When is the Millinium?

There isn't any millennium. But many who think there is say it happens after the pre-trib rapture and 7 year tribulation.

 

[TCassidy]

If it is 7 years before the millennium, we know when Christ returns. There are numerous other problems related to this too.

Doesn't the pre-trib position see the second coming as the Lord coming in the air for the raptured saints? And many even believe the Holy Spirit will step aside. "He Who now letteth will let, until He be taken away."

If you are going to argue against a position it might behoove you to know what that position is rather than erecting straw man arguments.

 

[1689Dave]

Doesn't the pre-trib position see the second coming as the Lord coming in the air for the raptured saints? And many even believe the Holy Spirit will step aside. "He Who now letteth will let, until He be taken away."

If you are going to argue against a position it might behoove you to know what that position is rather than erecting straw man arguments.

Don't they have several comings where scripture mentions only one? They say the first is coming for the saints, another is coming with the saints and so on.

 

[HankD]

7 years = 7 years.

Without a calendar date like September 30th 2018 at 3:00PM Pacific Mountain Time?
Do you believe Christ when He said no man knows the day or the hour?

Matthew 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

 

[Yeshua1]

So no one was saved before his explanation of the gospel in Institutes of the Christian Religion ?

Have you read it?

yes I have readit, and all Chrsitians should, and no, People were saved way before He was even born!

 

[1689Dave]

Without a calendar date like September 30th 2018 at 3:00PM Pacific Mountain Time?
Do you believe Christ when He said no man knows the day or the hour?

Matthew 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

Won't at least one of his supposed comings be 7 years after a supposed tribulation preceded by a supposed rapture?

 

[TCassidy]

Revelation 20 uses the word χιλια 5 times in 6 verses. The word is "chilia" where we get our word "Chiliast." It means "millennium."

You keep saying it doesn't exist, but God says it does.

 

[Yeshua1]

Doesn't the pre-trib position see the second coming as the Lord coming in the air for the raptured saints? And many even believe the Holy Spirit will step aside. "He Who now letteth will let, until He be taken away."

If you are going to argue against a position it might behoove you to know what that position is rather than erecting straw man arguments.

How can he claim that we can know when that happens, to have a specific date and time?

 

[1689Dave]

Revelation 20 uses the word χιλια 5 times in 6 verses. The word is "chilia" where we get our word "Chiliast." It means "millennium."

You keep saying it doesn't exist, but God says it does.

Jesus said his kingdom is spiritual. There is no physical kingdom.

 

[Yeshua1]

Revelation 20 uses the word χιλια 5 times in 6 verses. The word is "chilia" where we get our word "Chiliast." It means "millennium."

You keep saying it doesn't exist, but God says it does.

Many ofd the most prominent ECF saw it in the scriptures, as per the Apostles teachings to them...

 

[TCassidy]

There is no physical kingdom.

"Thy Kingdom come, thy will be done ON EARTH as it is in Heaven."

Earth is physical.

 

[TCassidy]

Don't they have several comings

No.

 

[1689Dave]

No.

How so? There's 1 in the assumed pre trib rapture, or, 1 in the assumed mid-trib rapture, or, 1 in the assumed post-trib rapture, 1 preceding the assumed millennium. and 1 after the assumed millennium.

yet not one scripture supporting any but the return on the last day.

 

[HankD]

Don't they have several comings where scripture mentions only one? They say the first is coming for the saints, another is coming with the saints and so on.

Actually the Second coming is thought of by some as having phases The harpadzo (aka the rapture) He comes into the atmosphere to gather and remove His own from the earth, then the Great Tribulation then His earthly rule and reign.

Vernon McGee calls it "The Day of the Lord" which includes the chilad (aka the millennium) - The Harpadzo, The Great Tribulation, The Chiliad, Eternity.

 

[Yeshua1]

How so? There's 1 in the assumed pre trib rapture, or, 1 in the assumed mid-trib rapture, or, 1 in the assumed post-trib rapture, 1 preceding the assumed millennium. and 1 after the assumed millennium.

You are reading bad theology books, as I was once holding to Pre trib rature, not all of those you cite!

 

[Yeshua1]

Actually the Second coming is thought of by some as having phases The harpadzo (aka the rapture) He comes into the atmosphere to gather and remove His own from the earth, then the Great Tribulation then His earthly rule and reign.

Vernon McGee calls it "The Day of the Lord" which includes the chilad (aka the millennium) - The Harpadzo, The Great Tribulation, The Chiliad, Eternity.

Yes, and some like me, historical premil, sees it as the same event!

 

[1689Dave]

You are reading bad theology books, as I was once holding to Pre trib rature, not all of those you cite!

I read the bible, is that bad theology?

 

[Yeshua1]

I read the bible, is that bad theology?

Your understanding of the end time really is!

 

[37818]

When is the Millinium?

When the believers are raised from the dead (Revelation 20:4-6; John 6:40), just at the time of the rapture (1 Thessalonians 4:15-16-17).