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Nine Tenets of Fundamentalism

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  1. HankD

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    So no one was saved before his explanation of the gospel in Institutes of the Christian Religion ?

    Have you read it?
     
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    There isn't any millennium. But many who think there is say it happens after the pre-trib rapture and 7 year tribulation.
     
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    Doesn't the pre-trib position see the second coming as the Lord coming in the air for the raptured saints? And many even believe the Holy Spirit will step aside. "He Who now letteth will let, until He be taken away."

    If you are going to argue against a position it might behoove you to know what that position is rather than erecting straw man arguments.
     
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    Don't they have several comings where scripture mentions only one? They say the first is coming for the saints, another is coming with the saints and so on.
     
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    Without a calendar date like September 30th 2018 at 3:00PM Pacific Mountain Time?
    Do you believe Christ when He said no man knows the day or the hour?

    Matthew 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
     
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    yes I have readit, and all Chrsitians should, and no, People were saved way before He was even born!
     
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    Won't at least one of his supposed comings be 7 years after a supposed tribulation preceded by a supposed rapture?
     
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    Revelation 20 uses the word χιλια 5 times in 6 verses. The word is "chilia" where we get our word "Chiliast." It means "millennium."

    You keep saying it doesn't exist, but God says it does.
     
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    How can he claim that we can know when that happens, to have a specific date and time?
     
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    Jesus said his kingdom is spiritual. There is no physical kingdom.
     
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    Many ofd the most prominent ECF saw it in the scriptures, as per the Apostles teachings to them...
     
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    "Thy Kingdom come, thy will be done ON EARTH as it is in Heaven."

    Earth is physical.
     
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    No.
     
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    How so? There's 1 in the assumed pre trib rapture, or, 1 in the assumed mid-trib rapture, or, 1 in the assumed post-trib rapture, 1 preceding the assumed millennium. and 1 after the assumed millennium.

    yet not one scripture supporting any but the return on the last day.
     
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    Actually the Second coming is thought of by some as having phases The harpadzo (aka the rapture) He comes into the atmosphere to gather and remove His own from the earth, then the Great Tribulation then His earthly rule and reign.

    Vernon McGee calls it "The Day of the Lord" which includes the chilad (aka the millennium) - The Harpadzo, The Great Tribulation, The Chiliad, Eternity.
     
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    You are reading bad theology books, as I was once holding to Pre trib rature, not all of those you cite!
     
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    Yes, and some like me, historical premil, sees it as the same event!
     
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    I read the bible, is that bad theology?
     
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    Your understanding of the end time really is!
     
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