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[JonC]

knowingly

False propaganda.

People choose or reject the vaccine based on weighing information and risks.

People who get vaccinated are not giving up their freedom- they are using their freedom to make a choice (just like those who refuse a vaccine).

The idea that by choosing to be vaccinated one is giving up freedom or stripping freedom from others is nothing but propaganda.

Basically we chose differently from you so you (technically Reynolds) say we are "the problem".

Like I said before, socialistic. Christians who decide to be vaccinated against covid are "the problem". What "solution" do you have in mind for these believers?

 

[Reynolds]

Above is the problem.

The anti-covid-vaxers believe anybody who chooses to be vaccinated is somehow giving up their freedom or stripping it away from others.

Their logic is bewildering....probably simply absent.

What they are saying is you had better not get vaccinated or else you are "the problem" (lumped in with the government or establishment, not "the people").

Socialistic mentality.

What I am saying is you going along with ANY vaccine requirement is the problem. Get vaxed or don't get vaxed, I don't care. I care that you do not support freedom. You get vaxed, show your card, and don't care how much freedom is stripped. Every thing I told you that would happen in the slippery slope has happened. You have always said it would not happen. It happened because cowards caved in. Next they are coming after our kids, thanks to y'all Covid Caving, Covid Capitulating, people. Joe Biden can't even visit the Pope without pooping in his diaper and you follow his lead.

 

[Reynolds]

knowingly

Not just knowingly, but enthusiastically.

 

[Revmitchell]

Not just knowingly, but enthusiastically.

yep

 

[JonC]

What I am saying is you going along with ANY vaccine requirement is the problem. Get vaxed or don't get vaxed, I don't care. I care that you do not support freedom. You get vaxed, show your card, and don't care how much freedom is stripped. Every thing I told you that would happen in the slippery slope has happened. You have always said it would not happen. It happened because cowards caved in. Next they are coming after our kids, thanks to y'all Covid Caving, Covid Capitulating, people. Joe Biden can't even visit the Pope without pooping in his diaper and you follow his lead.

I don't care what you ate saying now. I was dealing with what you posted. People like me do not advocate stripping freedoms from people. In fact, you cannot provide even one instance where I advocated stripping a freedom from a person.

People Iike you, however, do want to strip private ownership from business owners and give that decision to "the people".

Employees do not have a right to be employed by a particular company. They do not have the right to determine the conditions a company requires for employment. They do have the right to determine whether they will meet conditions of employment.

But this is the Constitution and it is under fire from both sides - democratic socialists on one side and conservative socialistic right-wingers like you on the other.

You advocate stripping away these freedoms. That is wrong.

 

[Reynolds]

I don't care what you ate saying now. I was dealing with what you posted. People like me do not advocate stripping freedoms from people. In fact, you cannot provide even one instance where I advocated stripping a freedom from a person.

People Iike you, however, do want to strip private ownership from business owners and give that decision to "the people".

Employees do not have a right to be employed by a particular company. They do not have the right to determine the conditions a company requires for employment. They do have the right to determine whether they will meet conditions of employment.

But this is the Constitution and it is under fire from both sides - democratic socialists on one side and conservative socialistic right-wingers like you on the other.

You advocate stripping away these freedoms. That is wrong.

I don't care what you say either. If I could, I would put you on ignore.
I don't advocate stripping any freedom. First and foremost, most employers do not want a vax mandate. They are being forced into requiring a vax. No freedom there. Secondly, the employer does not have a right to an employees medical history. That has been thoroughly settled in workers comp lawsuits. You aid the stripping of freedom because you enable the Marxist tyrants.

 

[JonC]

I don't care what you say either. If I could, I would put you on ignore.
I don't advocate stripping any freedom. First and foremost, most employers do not want a vax mandate. They are being forced into requiring a vax. No freedom there. Secondly, the employer does not have a right to an employees medical history. That has been thoroughly settled in workers comp lawsuits. You aid the stripping of freedom because you enable the Marxist tyrants.

An employer does have a right, under law, to require a vaccination record. These do not fall under HIPAA.

And there is no vaccine mandate. The government overreached, but the order is to require a vaccine or test the unvaccinated.

YOU, on the other hand, oppose private ownership insofar as men deciding the best course of action for their businesses within the scope of the law.

The government overreached - here and by requiring states to allow the unvaccinated who terminate wmoyment to draw unemployment.

But the anti-covid-vaxers are the only ones talking about actually stripping constitutional rights.

 

[Reynolds]

An employer does have a right, under law, to require a vaccination record. These do not fall under HIPAA.

And there is no vaccine mandate. The government overreached, but the order is to require a vaccine or test the unvaccinated.

YOU, on the other hand, oppose private ownership insofar as men deciding the best course of action for their businesses within the scope of the law.

The government overreached - here and by requiring states to allow the unvaccinated who terminate wmoyment to draw unemployment.

But the anti-covid-vaxers are the only ones talking about actually stripping constitutional rights.

You are a hopeless case. The Biden admin calls it a mandate. You accuse me of "false info" when I call it what they call it. The cost and lack of availability of testing makes it practically impossible. It's a mandate. You are complicit in it because you do not oppose it. You show your papers like a good little subject of the Marxist regime. Guess you practicing for how to act after the complete takeover.

 

[JonC]

You are a hopeless case. The Biden admin calls it a mandate. You accuse me of "false info" when I call it what they call it. The cost and lack of availability of testing makes it practically impossible. It's a mandate. You are complicit in it because you do not oppose it. You show your papers like a good little subject of the Marxist regime. Guess you practicing for how to act after the complete takeover.

It is a mandate. It is not a vaccine mandate. It is a vaccine or test mandate.

And I think this is overreaching. At the same time you are doing the same thing - overreaching.

I do not advocate the socialism that is the DNC. But I think your brand if socialism is even one dangerous because of how you advocate slowly chipping away at our freedoms on a conservative manner.

We see the DNC coming. But it would be easy to miss you guys until it's too late.

 

[Reynolds]

It is a mandate. It is not a vaccine mandate. It is a vaccine or test mandate.

And I think this is overreaching.

And we have it because of capitulating people like you who will show your papers to the Marxists.
Biden says it's a "vaccine mandate."

 

[percho]

It is a mandate. It is not a vaccine mandate. It is a vaccine or test mandate.

And I think this is overreaching. At the same time you are doing the same thing - overreaching.

I do not advocate the socialism that is the DNC. But I think your brand if socialism is even one dangerous because of how you advocate slowly chipping away at our freedoms on a conservative manner.

We see the DNC coming. But it would be easy to miss you guys until it's too late.

Explain one more time to me, exactly, the accuracy of that stick with a swab on the end of it, shoved almost into you brain ?

That mandate is as gross as the vaccine mandate.

 

[Reynolds]

Explain one more time to me, exactly, the accuracy of that stick with a swab on the end of it, shoved almost into you brain ?

That mandate is as gross as the vaccine mandate.

Its about "Show me your papers. You must have your papers." Go work, you must either present your vax papers or present your test papers. It is a process of conditioning the Sheeple. It has amazed me the people I used to respect as Patriots that shown themselves to be sheeple cowards who cave to the Marxists. Marxist coward puppets.

 

[just-want-peace]

AFAIC, the very fact that the ds are pushing so hard to get everybody vaxed is reason enough to NOT get vaxed!!
Anything they - the ds - are insistent on trying to force you to do, means that it WILL NOT be of any positive benefit for you, but just cements their control over you.
And also, all this garbage about the anti-vaxers being socialists is BS, pure & simple.That whole argument reeks of dem talking points from start to finish.

Also, as another poster stated, I would put a certain moderator on ignore, BUT was told it was not possible. I would like to know why that is the case, cause he seems to live just to agitate; just MHO of course.
Would appreciate the reasoning on this.

 

[JonC]

Explain one more time to me, exactly, the accuracy of that stick with a swab on the end of it, shoved almost into you brain ?

That mandate is as gross as the vaccine mandate.

It depends on what test you use. The PCR test is very accurate.

 

[Wingman68]

Another hilarious talking point reply. Proven wrong, but when they keep spouting, it makes it so. How many cycles does it take to be very accurate? Does it differentiate between 19, A, or B? The ‘new’ one isn’t even in use yet, so why is it SO accurate now when it wasn’t before?

 

[Wingman68]

Leave it to you to call me a socialist. Don’t make me laugh that YOU served to protect my rights……..if you did, it was long ago, & far away from where you are now. The word patriot doesn’t enter my mind when I think of you, which I try not to do, but herein lies the problem, I cannot block you, I cannot even see when you are online. Strange, that. I can see when all the other mods are online. Stealth Jon. Upfront, & transparent, or not.

Yet another little mystery in the operations of this board. Jon, who I called stealth Jon, because you can’t see his page, or when he’s online, & you can’t ignore, yet he’s the one who is consistently at the top of the poster board, but now I see he is not showing up on that poster board, despite him posting his head off. I’ll be watching.

 

[JonC]

Yet another little mystery in the operations of this board. Jon, who I called stealth Jon, because you can’t see his page, when he’s online, & you can’t ignore, yet he’s the one who is consistently at the top of the poster board, but now I see he is not showing up on that poster board, despite him posting his head off. I’ll be watching.

The greater mystery is why you want to see my page (I don't have a page) and why you want to see when I am online. Why is it your business?

Here you are just being you. For some reason you do not want me to have the same freedoms others have regarding their privacy.

Just you wanting to infringe upon the freedoms of others.

 

[percho]

I want to, not be seen, when I am online. Is that possible?

 

[JonC]

I want to, not be seen, when I am online. Is that possible?

Yes. It is in the privacy setting of your account.

If you have difficulty finding it shoot me a pm.

 

[Gold Dragon]

My Dad’s drs railed at the mention of HCQ, but dutifully gave him remdesivir. He’s dead. The drs in that hospital, your hospital, are following their paycheck. My Dad was just part of their ‘covid death’ story. He did not even have covid. You try to make this political & you are right in one respect. The deaths of the many elderly IS political. I no longer trust the medical profession. I never trusted big pharma. Everything that people have worked for all their lives should not be taken from them because they choose not to take a poison shot or a poison pill. Human rights. Moral rights. Rights that we fought & died for should NOT be taken away for a 99% survivable flu. You are wrong here, every day, in every way. Sorry about your luck, & sorry to have to call you a fellow American.

I'm sorry to hear that your dad was part of the 1%. 1% of tens or hundreds of millions of people is a lot of deaths and many of those who survived had a very difficult hospital stay or long covid after the acute infection.

But vaccination turns covid19 into a flu-like illness. In Singapore where 85% of the population are fully vaccinated, 99.8% of cases have survived and 98.7% of cases avoided hospitalization in the last month. Around 95% of the deaths were not fully vaccinated so the survival% would have been even higher for the vaccinated.

Ministry of Health

MOH | COVID-19 Statistics

Remdesivir does not improve survival but only decreases duration of hospitalization for those who do survive. HCQ does neither. If it was earlier in the pandemic, there weren't many options except for dexamethasone. Now we have more treatment options for severe covid19, although none are really "cures" per se but more incremental improvements. Viral treatments have never been an area we have been very successful at. Which is why vaccination and avoiding infection to begin with is so important.