OK... I still have these nagging questions:

Sorry, but I don't see it that way. But, if you could show me, in context, a passage that is plainly referring to believers being punished, other than discipline in this life, or even a loss of this life as discipline, I would appreciate it. This passage can be from anywhere in scripture, BTW.

Les

 

I know you're not asking me, but as I've said several times, there is no such scripture. The only way to see ME in the Bible is through innuendo, symbolism, abuse of etymology and parables, all filtered through a cheap ME decoder ring from a cracker-jack box.

 

Yeah, that's what I'm afraid of. But, I'm trying to give the ME/KA folks a chance to prove their case, if they can. I'm really dubious about any doctrine that has to run all over the Bible picking up a piece here and a piece there.

Les

 

You say it was an underhanded reference to Hope of Glory, yet nowhere in that post did I say Hope of Glory, now did I?

Are you seeing something in Hope of Glory that lines up with what I said in the post?

Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar, and there rememberest that thy brother hath ought against thee; Leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way; first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift. (Matthew 5:23-24)

 

You normally spell what should be "hogwash" as "HoGwash"? Come on. You insulted Hope of Glory and now you're insulting all of us by thinking we are this dense.

 

I have had plenty to say, but I don't throw mud at them. How will they see Christ in me if all I am doing is talking like a child? Maybe you deal with them by calling them names and saying nanny-nanny-boo-boo but I choose to let God's Word have utterance over childishness.

Since being here in Mexico, I have led a few JW's to the Lord. While in high school I led 2 Mormons to the Lord. I doubt they would have ever listened if I would have called them Jehovah Sicknesses or Morons. There have been many who have left my door mad but it was not because of my tone but because God's Word is sharper than any two edged sword.

 

Sorry, Rufus...

I did not realize you have the corner on the market for the alphabet and how it is used.

 

??????????????? What false doctrine have you "revealed?" I've looked all the way back through this thread and seen nothing. ?????????????????

 

That's nice...it's my fault you're being deceptive because I have a corner on the market for the alphabet and how it's used. If I liked psychology I believe I would be calling you a blame-shifter right about now.

Like I said earlier, your lame debate tactics are an improvement on some of the others, so we can just consider it par for the course and move on.

 

Thank you for your honesty. The point I am trying to make is that I used to hear preachers ll the time at funerals use this term. (I worked in the mortuary business for years as I pastored.) They would talk about the faithfulness of the man or woman and say they have or will hear "Well done, Good and Faithful Servant."
They love to use this verse about this servant but they reject the verses about the slothful servant. I believe a servant is a servant. Don't use one without the other verse.


Concerning Judas not having a throne. What scripture do you use to back this up? Jesus, while speaking to the twelve clearly states they they will sit upon throne with Him. Where and when does Jesus change His mind?

 

Regardless what you think, Rufus, the bottom line is this...

KA/ME is nothing but HoGwash.

It is HoGwash no matter how HoGwash is spelled.

I did not capitalize the letters as a slander, you (and others took it that way). It is you and others who owe the apology.

 

Unreal.:tear:

 

WhAtEvEr YoU sAy. I hAvE nO fUrThEr CoMmEnT oN tHiS mAtTeR.

 

?????????????????? Again you leave me with nothing but questions. ???????????

Have I missed something? I don't remember Rufus calling anyone hear a name or slandering them.
If, as you say, you did not mean it the way it came across, , why not apologize for the miscapitalizations and go on instead of swimming in the mud?

 

I never said I miscapitalized. Nor did I say the caps were meant for slander.

 

Just for the record, please note that I don't hold with any name calling or accusations against other believers. We can carry on a spirited and pointed discussion without resorting to that kind of junk.

Les

 

For the record, I did not resort to any name calling.

But their doctine is HoGwash.

They have been brainwashed to believe a man-made doctrine that takes away from the sufficiency of the blood of Jesus Christ.


They have the Child of God going to hell to appease the wrath of God while the Word of God clearly states that God's people are not appointed to wrath.

God has not given us a spirit of fear, yet they try to make us fear the fires of hell. Their teachings are what I call 'clothesline preaching'. You have to walk in their backyard or you will be hung out to dry.

 

Thank you for your sincere politeness. Though we may not agree, we should be able to have debate with dignity. We can have fun too but we must know where to draw the line.

 

The blood of Christ is MORE than sufficient for me. Being born from above is totally on the merit of Christ's shed blood at Calvary. I have not, nor could I ever obtain eternal life, which is the gift of God in any other way. The moment the conviction of the Holy Ghost came upon me and I believe the Gospel of Grace, I became born from above, and my spirit was given life. End of story for how I became saved.
How does this differ from your story?
Now that I am saved, I am in a race. If you, or others, choose not to run, tis your choice. If you choose to run this race, there is a prize. I choose to run the race and finish my course that Christ might say "well done." I love Him enough to run this race with patience. I seek the prize. I desire for my Lord not to be ashamed of me because I didn't run. I guess I've been brainwashed!