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Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by skypair, Aug 17, 2007.

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  1. James_Newman

    James_Newman New Member

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    Brother, I know what a paragraph marker looks like and there is not one in all of 1Corinthians.
    http://dewey.library.upenn.edu/sceti/printedbooksNew/index.cfm?TextID=kjbible&PagePosition=1401
    I don't think the church is going to transform into a temple either, but I wouldn't be dogmatic about it. Whats your point?
    Once again there is no paragraph break. If you got hold of a KJV with a paragraph break in verse 16, somebody that knows better than the King James translators is trying to help you out. If you forget about the paragraph break and read the whole chapter out loud, you might find that verses 16 and 17 have more to do with the previous verses than you imagined.
    Every work you do in the church is pictured by one of those elements. What you build in this life is what you will be judged for then. There is no building going on at the judgment seat of Christ, what you have built is being tried by fire. What is God's building if it is not the temple? That is what is being built with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay and stubble.
    You still can't get a handle on punishment as a reward for evil. Reward is not automatically good. Destruction is a reward for defiling the temple.
    It is directed toward those who do, not those who would.
    You are placing a lot of emphasis on this imaginary paragraph break.
    The whole context of this chapter is believers being judged for their works. There is no 'satan's emissary' in verse 16. Believers who try to adorn God's temple with their stinking wood hay and stubble are going to be destroyed. When God gives you gold to build with, you better use it.
    I hope you have better reason for this than the secret knowledge of where the paragraph markers are supposed to be.
    Hebrews 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
    There you have it, every man has to die once because it is appointed. But wait, some men died more than once. And some men never die at all... so what? So not appointed to wrath is not a guarantee that you can't change your appointment.
    Luke 12
    45 But and if that servant say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to beat the menservants and maidens, and to eat and drink, and to be drunken;
    46 The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers.

    See, you can get a new appointment.

    No, it was discussed, but I'm not going to dig backwards and find the post where you pasted it.
     
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    So you have all winning the prize? Why are we even running. Why don't we just kick back and do nothing? Why am I here in Mexico spreading the gospel of Grace to the Tarahumara Indians and the Mexicans? Maybe I'll just move to the beach and sit back and relax because all win the prize....... right?
     
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    My Open Bible has the paragraph breaks, as does my Swordsearcher 5.0.
     
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    My paper bible in my lap does not. I cannot find any definitive information on the paragraph marks, but to my knowledge, the KJV text does not have any paragraph markers between acts and revelation. If you want to make an argument based on where you think the paragraph marks are, you'll need to find something more concrete than sword-searcher.
     
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    http://www.hendrickson.com/pdf/intros/1565635612-intro.pdf

    So wherever the paragraph marks came from, it wasn't the KJV translators.
     
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    Your quote that paragraph marks disappear altogether after Acts 20:26 makes no sense at all.

    When reading through the Pauline Epistles, one can easily see the changes in thoughts within each Epistle.

    Paragraph marks begin in Genesis and continue all the way through Revelation.
     
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    Well I didn't write it, but I did understand it. My bibles with no paragraph marks in the epistles backs it up.
     
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    Civil discussion is so much fun, isn't it?

    In Acts 1, Peter rightly quotes Psalms about "let another take his place" -- but I believe what God meant is for Paul to TAKE Judas place, not "let's elect the man of OUR choice."

    skypair
     
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    And my Bible with paragraph marks back up our stance.
     
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    Great, now we have two stances backed up. Can we discuss something else? I'm sure someone in the bible versions forum would love to talk about paragraph markers in the KJV.
     
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    I have some that do, some that don't, and some that have them in different places.

    Which stance does that support?
     
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    Brother, do you NEED crutches? Paragraph breaks or no you are misrepresenting context, sir. "Temple" = body.

    Why in the church?? Why not in your body??

    We got the "handle" just fine. It's whether it is the "right handle" that is the issue. We got no problem with "reward" being punishment as long as it isn't believers!

    Now YOU have it "believers" and not "church." What? You want it both ways??

    skypair
     
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    Not the stance that says the KJV translators were responsible for them. I seem to have lost track of why this is relevant to Kingdom Accountability. However, I am grateful for this tidbit of minutiae.
     
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    1 Corinthians 3:9 For we are laborers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, ye are God's building.

    Paul is likening himself and Apollos as laborers building on the foundation, and the building is the church in Corinth. This 'body' is the corporate body. If you wish to apply this teaching personally to your body, fine, but Paul is talking about the church. Specifically teachers in the church being accountable for how they build the church.
     
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    Actually, Paul was talking about building upon the faith of each individual Corinthian.

    skypair
     
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    DHK,
    The judgement is of works both good and bad. You say the loss of rewards has nothing to do with punishment. What if all of ones works are bad? What will he then loose?
    To keep from debating saved or not,
    What if his bad works out wiegh his goods? After you take away the "rewards" and nothing is left, what can now be taken away?
     
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    I lost track at about page 18. See what I get for going to work?

    See ya on the flip side brethren!!!!
     
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