OK... I still have these nagging questions:

[DHK]

DHK,
The judgement is of works both good and bad. You say the loss of rewards has nothing to do with punishment. What if all of ones works are bad? What will he then loose?
To keep from debating saved or not,
What if his bad works out wiegh his goods? After you take away the "rewards" and nothing is left, what can now be taken away?

works--loss and gain of rewards.
Your point of view is God standing over a person with a big whip or a heavy stick ready to beat you half to death needing to lay on you some wicked cruel punishment??

 

[Rufus_1611]

works--loss and gain of rewards.
Your point of view is God standing over a person with a big whip or a heavy stick ready to beat you half to death needing to lay on you some wicked cruel punishment??

"Wicked cruel punishment", God forbid. Righteous, just, rewards from a loving father, would be more accurate.

 

[npetreley]

works--loss and gain of rewards.
Your point of view is God standing over a person with a big whip or a heavy stick ready to beat you half to death needing to lay on you some wicked cruel punishment??

Tough love. 1,000 years in hell. REALLY tough love. :laugh::laugh:

 

[Accountable]

works--loss and gain of rewards.
Your point of view is God standing over a person with a big whip or a heavy stick ready to beat you half to death needing to lay on you some wicked cruel punishment??

Do you want to hear "well done" or does it not matter to you at all? I seek to please my Lord and do His will. Your one of those "the cup is half empty" kind of guys I guess.
But if you want to look at it like that, "knowing therefore the terror of the Lord we pursuad men."

 

[DHK]

"Wicked cruel punishment", God forbid. Righteous, just, rewards from a loving father, would be more accurate.

Hmmm. Say one thing and preach another, eh?
Rewards from a loving Father--that is what we having been saying all along. Are you startng to believe us now. God is love. At the JSOC there will be rewards and loss of rewards.
But your the one who believes in the cruel wicked God with the big stick ready to club a person half to death then throw the half dead person into a pit of hell for a thousand years. And BTW, God will have to work extra hard at that beating because the believer by that time will already have received his glorified body. That sure is some theology, rather some imagination!

 

[Rufus_1611]

Hmmm. Say one thing and preach another, eh?

Rewards from a loving Father--that is what we having been saying all along.

...and is what we've been saying all along. Trouble is you seem to have a selective definition for what rewards are, as it would seem you think rewards are only the warm and fuzzy stuff.

Are you startng to believe us now. God is love.

If you are making an argument that God is love, I do believe you.

"And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him." - 1 John 4:16​

If you are saying Jesus allows spoiled, bratty, unrepentant, disobedient children into His Kingdom and that He'll spare the rod...I haven't seen a strong argument for that yet. Further, a father that would spare the rod is not a God of love.

"He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes." - Proverbs 13:24​

At the JSOC there will be rewards and loss of rewards.

Yes there will be rewards, for the things done in our body, whether they be good or bad.

But your the one who believes in the cruel wicked God with the big stick ready to club a person half to death then throw the half dead person into a pit of hell for a thousand years.

I do not believe in a cruel, wicked God and to say these things is yet another vile and offensive remark from your side of the aisle.

And BTW, God will have to work extra hard at that beating because the believer by that time will already have received his glorified body. That sure is some theology, rather some imagination!

 

[standingfirminChrist]

Do you want to hear "well done" or does it not matter to you at all? I seek to please my Lord and do His will. Your one of those "the cup is half empty" kind of guys I guess.
But if you want to look at it like that, "knowing therefore the terror of the Lord we pursuad men."

If you truly sought to please the Lord, you would not be twisting His Word to put the saved into outer darkness or hell.

 

[DHK]

Yes there will be rewards, for the things done in our body, whether they be good or bad.

This is the part that you cannot understand isn't it.
rewards for things done... It doesn't say
punsihment for things done...but rather rewards.
You people read into that passage something that is not there.

 

[standingfirminChrist]

I do not believe in a cruel, wicked God and to say these things is yet another vile and offensive remark from your side of the aisle.

If you do not believe in a cruel, wicked God, quit preaching a cruel, wicked God.

 

[standingfirminChrist]

This is the part that you cannot understand isn't it.
rewards for things done... It doesn't say
punsihment for things done...but rather rewards.
You people read into that passage something that is not there.

It's the only way that they can attain a more righteous than you attitude.

 

[npetreley]

It's the only way that they can attain a more righteous than you attitude.

QFT

(quoted for truth)

 

[Lacy Evans]

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But your the one who believes in the cruel wicked God with the big stick ready to club a person half to death then throw the half dead person into a pit of hell for a thousand years.

Brother do you realize that you are talking about a God that will cast the sweet little grandmother who never believed into a molten burning Lake of Fire to be tormented for absolute eternity? Your argument is the exact same argument as the unbeliever who argues that if God were "really' a God of Love, then He could never do such an "evil" thing.

And BTW, God will have to work extra hard at that beating because the believer by that time will already have received his glorified body. That sure is some theology, rather some imagination!

Who says we get a "glorified" body if Christ is not glorified by our works done in Him? A ressurrected body yes, but glory? For a grossly disobedient Christian?

Even christ himself had to suffer and to die before he received a glorified human body

John 12:23-25
23 And Jesus answered them, saying, The hour is come, that the Son of man should be glorified.
24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.
25 He that loveth his life shall lose it; and he that hateth his life in this world shall keep it unto life eternal.

This does bring up an interesting point.

Hell is cast into the LOF at the GWT. All those unbelievers resurrected to the GWT in Rev 20, have been in Hell since they died, but their bodies have been in the Grave!

No unbeliever will ever be placed bodily into Hell. Their ressurrected bodies will be cast into the LOF!

So how could the "Hell warnings" in Matt 10:28, (Mark 9:41-50), that warn someone capable of being cast bodily into Hell (Not the LOF) apply to anyone but the Christian Disciples (and us) to whom the warnings were directed?

Matthew 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

No one has a ressurrected body before Hell is destroyed in the LOF except those ressurrected before the Millennial Kingdom. The GWT is after the MK and unbelievers there are never cast bodily into Hell but rather into the LOF

"Till my change come, -Lacy

 

[Accountable]

If you truly sought to please the Lord, you would not be twisting His Word to put the saved into outer darkness or hell.

Tag! I guess I'm it. I'm sorry and do not mean to come across angry for I am not. I little tired of your tactics maybe, but not angry. I find it interesting that the majority of your posts deal with name calling or negative "theory."
I have yet to see you produce a decent argument. I do not mind debating you, but I see no sense in playing tag.
The bible teaches us to put away childish things. Telling me that I don't seek to please the Lord is like shooting someone in the back. We should debate like men and not play like children.

Now, if you have a logical "theory" or biblical truth in which you want to logically debate, I'm ready. If it is games... recess is over.

Do you have any biblical debate in which you would like to lend to us?
I pray you do. I enjoy debate when done honestly and not underhandedly.

 

[Rufus_1611]

This is the part that you cannot understand isn't it.
rewards for things done... It doesn't say
punsihment for things done...but rather rewards.
You people read into that passage something that is not there.

After all of these discussions do you continue to maintain that rewards are always positive?

REWARD'', n.

1. Recompense, or equivalent return for good done, for kindness, for services and the like. Rewards may consist of money, goods or any return of kindness or happiness.

...
5. Punishment; a just return of evil or suffering for wickedness.
(Source: Webster's 1828)

"And he said to David, Thou art more righteous than I: for thou hast rewarded me good, whereas I have rewarded thee evil." - 1 Samuel 24:17

"They rewarded me evil for good to the spoiling of my soul." - Psalm 35:12

"Let them be desolate for a reward of their shame that say unto me, Aha, aha." - Psalm 40:15

"He shall reward evil unto mine enemies: cut them off in thy truth." - Psalm 54:5

"Only with thine eyes shalt thou behold and see the reward of the wicked." - Psalm 91:8

"Lift up thyself, thou judge of the earth: render a reward to the proud." - Psalm 94:2

"And they have rewarded me evil for good, and hatred for my love." - Psalm 109:5

"Whoso rewardeth evil for good, evil shall not depart from his house." - Proverbs 17:13​

 

[Accountable]

This is the part that you cannot understand isn't it.
rewards for things done... It doesn't say
punsihment for things done...but rather rewards.
You people read into that passage something that is not there.

So what rewards are you looking forward to for the your bad works? I doubt it will be a harp and a crown!

 

[Accountable]

If you do not believe in a cruel, wicked God, quit preaching a cruel, wicked God.

Wow! Can you provide a qoute from our brother where he called God wicked and cruel?

Again throwing rocks, but seems from a safe distance.

 

[standingfirminChrist]

Yet more twisting of God's Word, Lacy. Why not rightly divide and let Scripture interpret Scripture?

So far, you have wrested the Word of God...

 

[standingfirminChrist]

Tag! I guess I'm it. I'm sorry and do not mean to come across angry for I am not. I little tired of your tactics maybe, but not angry. I find it interesting that the majority of your posts deal with name calling or negative "theory."
I have yet to see you produce a decent argument. I do not mind debating you, but I see no sense in playing tag.
The bible teaches us to put away childish things. Telling me that I don't seek to please the Lord is like shooting someone in the back. We should debate like men and not play like children.

Now, if you have a logical "theory" or biblical truth in which you want to logically debate, I'm ready. If it is games... recess is over.

Do you have any biblical debate in which you would like to lend to us?
I pray you do. I enjoy debate when done honestly and not underhandedly.

My arguments have all been positive. As a matter of fact, I am positive through the authority of God's Word that ME teaching is began when some preacher chose to believe the lies of satan instead of God's Holy Word.

 

[Rufus_1611]

If you do not believe in a cruel, wicked God, quit preaching a cruel, wicked God.

That's my Father you're talking about so, if it's all the same to you, make an argument or fasten your circular pastry chasm.

 

[Accountable]

Is God a wicked and cruel God when he throws all sinners who never recieved Christ as Saviour into the Lake of fire?
What about that Indian here in Mexico who will die before someone reaches him with the gospel of grace? Is God cruel and wicked then or is he RIGHTEOUS?

Not that I expect an answer but maybe some will read it.

By the way, there are MANY O.T. verses where the rewards given were not "delightful" and "pleasant" and "desired."

Do we hide our eyes to these?