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[SovereignGrace]

So you think creeds are perfect?

Never said that.

 

[SovereignGrace]

Christ's imputed righteousness cannot sin. That's the works I trust in. But I work on my wood, hay, and stubble works in thanksgiving even though they lack the capacity of God's imputed righteousness. You need to get a hold of this.

Imputation does not make one righteous, but declares one righteous. If that were the case, when Christ was imputed our sins, then He would have literally became a sinner, and that is taught nowhere in the Bible.

 

[1689Dave]

Where are they off, in your opinion?

Calvin taught universal atonement. That makes works the means of salvation. In this case, coerced works.

I say the New Birth with the new nature in itself produces holiness. Our works never measure up and cannot be relied on. But we trust in Christ's imputed righteousness instead. This is in line with Limited Atonement.

 

[SovereignGrace]

Calvin taught universal atonement. That makes works the means of salvation. In this case, coerced works.

I say the New Birth with the new nature in itself produces holiness. Our works never measure up and cannot be relied on. But we trust in Christ's imputed righteousness instead. This is in line with Limited Atonement.

Where did John Calvin teach universal atonement? Got a link for me to read?

 

[1689Dave]

None, but thanks for the insult.

I think you need to check yourself out before taking issue with others.

 

[SovereignGrace]

I think you need to check yourself out before taking issue with others.

Drop the attitude, okay? Let’s discuss this civilly.

 

[SovereignGrace]

Calvin taught universal atonement. That makes works the means of salvation. In this case, coerced works.

I say the New Birth with the new nature in itself produces holiness. Our works never measure up and cannot be relied on. But we trust in Christ's imputed righteousness instead. This is in line with Limited Atonement.

You’re conflating regeneration with imputation. Two entirely different subjects.

 

[1689Dave]

You’re conflating regeneration with imputation. Two entirely different subjects.

Imputation is the basis for regeneration.

 

[1689Dave]

Drop the attitude, okay? Let’s discuss this civilly.

I recall being attacked before saying anything.

 

[1689Dave]

Where did John Calvin teach universal atonement? Got a link for me to read?

It's questionable but many believe he did. How about proving he did not? But points 4 & 5 are logical with the universal atonement position and not Limited Atonement. So I believe he did.

 

[SovereignGrace]

It's questionable but many believe he did. How about proving he did not? But points 4 & 5 are logical with the universal atonement position and not Limited Atonement. So I believe he did.

Well, you said he taught it, so I want a link to read it for myself.

 

[SovereignGrace]

Imputation is the basis for regeneration.

But they’re not one and the same.

 

[1689Dave]

Well, you said he taught it, so I want a link to read it for myself.

Go look it up and settle the score if you can.

 

[1689Dave]

But they’re not one and the same.

So you think you earn Christ's righteousness in the sinful flesh?

 

[1689Dave]

Well, you said he taught it, so I want a link to read it for myself.

Quote me if you can. I think I said people claim he taught it. And it makes sense out of points 4 & 5 being illogical with Limited Atonement.

 

[1689Dave]

John Calvin’s view of Limited Atonement – by Dr. Roger Nicole | Reformed Theology at A Puritan's Mind

Does Calvin believe in limited Atonement or not? Many say that Calvin did not believe it. Dr. Nicole proves them quite wrong, but not without careful efforts.

 

[SovereignGrace]

Quote me if you can. I think I said people claim he taught it. And it makes sense out of points 4 & 5 being illogical with Limited Atonement.

From your post #23…

“Calvin taught universal atonement.” You said it right there. I quoted you.

 

[SovereignGrace]

So you think you earn Christ's righteousness in the sinful flesh?

Never said that.

 

[1689Dave]

From your post #23…

“Calvin taught universal atonement.” You said it right there. I quoted you.

Does Calvin believe in limited Atonement or not? Many say that Calvin did not believe it. Dr. Nicole proves them quite wrong, but not without careful efforts.

Even if true points 4 & 5 favor universal atonement.

 

[1689Dave]

Does Calvin believe in limited Atonement or not? Many say that Calvin did not believe it. Dr. Nicole proves them quite wrong, but not without careful efforts.

Even if true points 4 & 5 favor universal atonement.

I gave a link proving myself wrong if Roger Nicole is right. I still think points 4 & 5 favor universal atonement.