Palestinians, Israel

[JonC]

The Palestinians are being kicked out of The land they and and their grandparents and their grandparents were born in before there was an Israel until 1948. You have stolen their ancestral homeland .. . You yourself knows that when Israel declared itself a nation

1. Israel did not declare itself a nation.

2. Jews also lived in the area. In fact, Jews have a longer history in that area (it is their ancestral homeland as well, and for a longer period of time).

3. The Palestinian exile happened in 1967. Palestinians fled the area due to the war (it was anticipated that Israel would fall).

4. Palestinians make up 22% of the Israeli population. They serve (voluntarily) in the Israeli Army, in the Israeli government.

By definition Israel has not committed genocide. I am not sure you know the meaning of that word.


I look at the situation from a secular point of view (not a religious point of view). So I do not share your (or @asterisktom 's) antisemitism. I also do not share the "Israel is always right" perspective many Chriatians have.

You and @asterisktom allow your antisemitism to influence your ideas (and the sources you trust) just as many Christians allow their views to influence their opinions. You are no different, you just chose a different team.

 

[Conan]

1. Israel did not declare itself a nation.

2. Jews also lived in the area. In fact, Jews have a longer history in that area (it is their ancestral homeland as well, and for a longer period of time).

3. The Palestinian exile happened in 1967. Palestinians fled the area due to the war (it was anticipated that Israel would fall).

4. Palestinians make up 22% of the Israeli population. They serve (voluntarily) in the Israeli Army, in the Israeli government.

By definition Israel has not committed genocide. I am not sure you know the meaning of that word.


I look at the situation from a secular point of view (not a religious point of view). So I do not share your (or @asterisktom 's) antisemitism. I also do not share the "Israel is always right" perspective many Chriatians have.

You and @asterisktom allow your antisemitism to influence your ideas (and the sources you trust) just as many Christians allow their views to influence their opinions. You are no different, you just chose a different team.

False witness. We are not ant-semitic. We love the Semitic Jews who have always been in the land. They also love the Palestinians who are their Semitic Brothers. They do not murder or kill Palestinians. They protest what the Israelis are doing. They await the Kingdom of God. They don't drop 2,000 # bombs on unarmed Palestinian men, Women or Children. They don't shoot Palestinian children through the head. They don't blow up Palestinian homes. They don't drive Palestinians out of their homes at rifle point or shoot them for not leaving. The Palestinians are a Semitic People. You and I are not. But that's ok Jon. I don't blame you. We will find out one day .

 

[JonC]

False witness. We are not ant-semitic. We love the Semitic Jews who have always been in the land. They also love the Palestinians who are their Semitic Brothers. They do not murder or kill Palestinians. They protest what the Israelis are doing. They await the Kingdom of God. They don't drop 2,000 # bombs on unarmed Palestinian men, Women or Children. They don't shoot Palestinian children through the head. They don't blow up Palestinian homes. They don't drive Palestinians out of their homes at rifle point or shoot them for not leaving. The Palestinians are a Semitic People. You and I are not. But that's ok Jon. I don't blame you. We will find out one day .

I was speaking of Israel (the nation), not Judaism. Israel is mostly Jewish, but Israel is also Palestinian.

The Jews in Israel are Semitic Jews (their forefathers were the ones who first established a nation there). Today they ate mixed as they were forced to flee to escape persecution, but they are no less a Semitic people.

From your posts it appears you have stumbled onto antisemitic websites (if I am wrong then my apologies). "Antisemitic" refers to attitudes against Jews, not all Semitic people groups. "Semitic" in terms of ethnicity is obsolete (now it refers to language).

I do not agree with Israel driving out Palestinians, or completely destroying Gaza. But I also do not agree with the Palestinians killing Jews.

The only place in the area where Jews and Palestinians seem to live peacefully is Israel.

The majority of Palestinians want a Palestinian nation that incorporates Israel where Jews can also live. History tells us this will not work.

Israel is a nation (whether you like it or not). It has been a nation for 70 years. You are going to have to realize that fact before you can evaluate the situation.

 

[Conan]

I was speaking of Israel (the nation), not Judaism. Israel is mostly Jewish, but Israel is also Palestinian.

The Jews in Israel are Semitic Jews (their forefathers were the ones who first established a nation there). Today they ate mixed as they were forced to flee to escape persecution, but they are no less a Semitic people.

From your posts it appears you have stumbled onto antisemitic websites (if I am wrong then my apologies). "Antisemitic" refers to attitudes against Jews, not all Semitic people groups. "Semitic" in terms of ethnicity is obsolete (now it refers to language).

I do not agree with Israel driving out Palestinians, or completely destroying Gaza. But I also do not agree with the Palestinians killing Jews.

The only place in the area where Jews and Palestinians seem to live peacefully is Israel.

The majority of Palestinians want a Palestinian nation that incorporates Israel where Jews can also live. History tells us this will not work.

Israel is a nation (whether you like it or not). It has been a nation for 70 years. You are going to have to realize that fact before you can evaluate the situation.

Your first mistake is that it was established by European Caucasians and American Caucasians. You would love to divide the Semitic Jews and his Semitic Palestinian brothers. That is not from God.

 

[Ben1445]

Netanyahu was warned about this attack

Your evidence for this please. Claims mean nothing without facts.

 

[JonC]

Your first mistake is that it was established by European Caucasians and American Caucasians. You would love to divide the Semitic Jews and his Semitic Palestinian brothers. That is not from God.

Lol...no, Israel was not established bt European and American Caucasians.

The British mandate ended, the UN partitioned the land.

The Israelites are a diverse people as they are Jews from the diaspora. But each of these semetic Jewish groups are still descendents of the ancient Hebrew people.

Israel has rarely considered Arabs "brothers". They have always opposed one another. It got worse with the arrival of the Islamic religion.

Israel does consider the Iranians as brothers. That may be your confusion. But Iran is not an Arab nation.

 

[Conan]

Your evidence for this please. Claims mean nothing without facts.

The Egyptians warned him. One of the tiny Gulf State Nations I forget which one warned him. Their own human Mossad agents in Gaza warned Netanyahu. Netanyahu's excuse was they turned their defense over to AI and AI said everything was fine. That was no excuse, just cover for Netanyahu's Government. Israel had a stand down order for 6 or 8 hours to not patrol the border with Gaza. The Garrison Towns were all off duty. Charily Kirk said you can get anywhere in Israel by chopper in 45 minutes. Why were the Palestinians allowed to rampage around and take hostages . All of these are well known facts. But you have never heard about it. Independant media will tell you the truth. FOX, CNN, MSNBC will not.

 

[Conan]

Lol...no, Israel was not established bt European and American Caucasians.

The British mandate ended, the UN partitioned the land.

The Israelites are a diverse people as they are Jews from the diaspora. But each of these semetic Jewish groups are still descendents of the ancient Hebrew people.

Israel has rarely considered Arabs "brothers". They have always opposed one another. It got worse with the arrival of the Islamic religion.

Israel does consider the Iranians as brothers. That may be your confusion. But Iran is not an Arab nation.

Fantasy. European Jews are all Caucasian, and so are American Jews. Palestinian Jews are the Jews who have always lived in Israel. They protest for their Palestinian Muslim and Christian Brothers. They may not be your brothers, but the Semitic Jews consider the Palestinians to be their Semitic Brothers, because they are of the same race. Proof.

 

[Conan]

 

[asterisktom]

Your evidence for this please. Claims mean nothing without facts.

I assume you have a phone or computer. Do your own research. I'm not going to do your work for you.

 

[Ben1445]

The Egyptians warned him. One of the tiny Gulf State Nations I forget which one warned him. Their own human Mossad agents in Gaza warned Netanyahu. Netanyahu's excuse was they turned their defense over to AI and AI said everything was fine. That was no excuse, just cover for Netanyahu's Government. Israel had a stand down order for 6 or 8 hours to not patrol the border with Gaza. The Garrison Towns were all off duty. Charily Kirk said you can get anywhere in Israel by chopper in 45 minutes. Why were the Palestinians allowed to rampage around and take hostages . All of these are well known facts. But you have never heard about it. Independant media will tell you the truth. FOX, CNN, MSNBC will not.

I don’t know who you are but you are not evidence, you are hearsay. Without evidence you are just another conspiracy theorist taking up every juicy bit of story. Provide your sources. Provide evidence.
You strike me as a flat earther type when it comes to conspiracy theories. Not that you think the earth is flat but that you repeat stories with no evidence.

 

[Ben1445]

I assume you have a phone or computer. Do your own research. I'm not going to do your work for you.

And this is why you look like a conspiracy theorist. You have no evidence. You attempt to present no evidence. More than likely the sources are spreaders of quackery like the 2-3 layers of foil hat people.

It is not my work, it is your unfounded opinion that you refuse to support. It is not my job to support your opinions and beliefs. That is yours.
I have the privilege of listening to your opinion and recognizing baseless claims and opinions without substance.

 

[JonC]

Fantasy. European Jews are all Caucasian, and so are American Jews. Palestinian Jews are the Jews who have always lived in Israel.

I know most of the Jews are of the diaspora. They were persecuted and driven out of their land. I know the history.

Mizrahi Jews (the largest Jewish group in Israrl) are no less Jews, no less related to the ancient Hebrews who lived in ancient Israel, than any other Jewish group. Their ancestors made it to the Middle East and North Africa.

Ashkenazi Jews are no less Jews, no less related to the ancient Hebrews who lived in ancient Israel, than any other Jewish group. Their ancestors fled to Europe.

Sephardic Jews are no less Jews, no less related to the ancient Hebrews who lived in ancient Israel, than any other Jewish group. Their ancestors fled to Spain and Portugal.

They are not Caucasion. Some in America (some racists, due to past racism) consider them Caucasians because they have lighter skin. But outside of America ethnic groups are not determined by skin tone.


These peoples are semitic Jews. They are the descedents of the ancient Jewish people. They are not Caucasians except by the definition of racists in America clinging to racial identity based on skin tone rather than ethnicity.

 

[Conan]

And this is why you look like a conspiracy theorist. You have no evidence. You attempt to present no evidence. More than likely the sources are spreaders of quackery like the 2-3 layers of foil hat people.

It is not my work, it is your unfounded opinion that you refuse to support. It is not my job to support your opinions and beliefs. That is yours.
I have the privilege of listening to your opinion and recognizing baseless claims and opinions without substance.

You have never even heard of the truth of past events. They are not even rumors to you. You do not even know that there is such a thing as an American Empire. Even the American Empire is hidden to you. Not even the whiff of a rumor. Nothing could be proven to you from three years ago. To you it is not even a rumor, not even a sound on the wind..........

 

[Foxmeister]

You have never even heard of the truth of past events. They are not even rumors to you. You do not even know that there is such a thing as an American Empire. Even the American Empire is hidden to you. Not even the whiff of a rumor. Nothing could be proven to you from three years ago. To you it is not even a rumor, not even a sound on the wind..........

I'll bite. What's the American Empire?

 

[Ben1445]

You have never even heard of the truth of past events. They are not even rumors to you. You do not even know that there is such a thing as an American Empire. Even the American Empire is hidden to you. Not even the whiff of a rumor. Nothing could be proven to you from three years ago. To you it is not even a rumor, not even a sound on the wind..........

More wind with no substance….
Waiting…..

This is indicative of being so far down a rabbit hole that you don’t even know where to start to prove your conspiracy.

 

[Conan]

I'll bite. What's the American Empire?

 

[JonC]

I'll bite. What's the American Empire?

Lol.... there is no such thing as "the American Empire" (by definition the US cannot be an empire).

This is what I mean by "conspiracy theorists" and false propaganda.

Leftists take words like "genocide", "empire", "facism", "colonization", etc. and invent new meanings for these words for emotional appeal. Gullible leftists watch social media propaganda videos and become sheeple, indoctrinated into a false "reality".

An empire is "a major political unit having a territory of great extent or a number of territories or peoples under a single sovereign authority". The US government, at least for now, prevents the US from becoming am empire. Our structure has to change for that to happen.

But as a figure of speech the US (and NYC) has been called an "empire".

 

[asterisktom]

And this is why you look like a conspiracy theorist. You have no evidence. You attempt to present no evidence. More than likely the sources are spreaders of quackery like the 2-3 layers of foil hat people.

It is not my work, it is your unfounded opinion that you refuse to support. It is not my job to support your opinions and beliefs. That is yours.
I have the privilege of listening to your opinion and recognizing baseless claims and opinions without substance.

I have been on this board for many years and I used to do exactly what people like you demand of me. I would provide evidence only to have the evidence discounted because the sources were not within the narrow limit of sources that you think are legitimate. Not wasting my time any more on that pointless step. I can live with the predictable tin hat jibes.

 

[Foxmeister]

Lol.... there is no such thing as "the American Empire" (by definition the US cannot be an empire).

This is what I mean by "conspiracy theorists" and false propaganda.

Leftists take words like "genocide", "empire", "facism", "colonization", etc. and invent new meanings for these words for emotional appeal. Gullible leftists watch social media propaganda videos and become sheeple, indoctrinated into a false "reality".

An empire is "a major political unit having a territory of great extent or a number of territories or peoples under a single sovereign authority". The US government, at least for now, prevents the US from becoming am empire. Our structure has to change for that to happen.

But as a figure of speech the US (and NYC) has been called an "empire".

I know there is no American Empire. I curious as to how he would answer my question.