Parable of the Talents

Show me with Scripture, not just your word, where Christ promised to be with ALL His "children" forever without end. The only place that I can remember that being said was in relation to His disciples. Not all children are disciples. See what you do is you rip things out of context and apply them any ole way you please.

Part of context is who is it written to. Now if you are truly a disciple of Christ then that is something that you can hold on to. But if you are not a disciple then you can't claim that promise.

Now I'll be glad to eat crow if you can show me Scripture where Christ said He would never leave nor forsake ALL His "children."

Now here you go making things up. Again you need to understand as many others that eternal salvation is not the only salvation that is discussed in the Bible.

Rejecting the Messiah has everything to do with salvation, but not eternal salvation. It has to do with the salvation of the soul.

Eternal salvation (salvation of the spirit) has NOTHING to do with Christ as King, but is ENTIRELY dependant upon Jesus as the Lamb. You are accepting the Sacrifice made on your behalf. It is the Lamb that is sacrificed. Christ being King only comes into play when you accept Jesus as the Lamb.

Well I guess Acts 16:30-31 is just a lie then and we shouldn't believe any part of the Bible. I guess Ephesians 2:8-9 is just a lie then and we shouldn't believe any part of the Bible then. The Bible says faith/believe and that's it. If you don't want to believe that and deny Scripture then that's between you and God. But just because you deny it doesn't make it invisible to the rest.

That is speaking of false teachers, not the general population of saved individuals.

And I can safely say that is one funny statement. Thanks for the light moment!

Go back and look at his audience and I think you will find that he was speaking to those that were faithful. Not all Christians are faithful. Chapter 4 verse 1.

 

Again you are plucking a verse out of its context and just making it say what you want it to say. Go back and look at the context.

You are saying that Paul is telling saved individuals to make sure they are saved. That doesn't even make sense. You can't be saved and then somehow unsaved. You can't be saved and constantly need to check yourself to make sure you are still saved. That just defies what Scripture says in regard to eternal salvation.

The faith is a phrase used in reference to the word of the kingdom, the word of God, the salvation of the soul, etc.

Context, context, context!

 

The context is the kingdom of the heavens not eternal salvation. The kingdom is not eternal salvation. Two different things being spoken of.
Again why would Acts 16:30-31 and Ephesians 2:8-9, Romans 4 leave out all your steps? Either the authors where lying when they wrote that, which means the Holy Spirit is a liar, which means God is a liar, or they were telling the truth and those things aren't required for salvation.
The second is the only possible option.

Please show me one Scripture verse where confession pays the penalty for sin. It's not there. Death and shed blood alone pay the debt for sin. And believing approrpiates the blood on your behalf allowing the Holy Spirit to breathe life into your dead spirit.
Confessing Jesus as the Messiah is not eternal salvation. Eternal salvation comes from the Lamb, not the Messiah.

Show me one verse of Scripture that says calling on the name of the Lord pays the penalty for sin. It's not there. The name of the Lord doesn't save us, it is His death and shed blood that saves us.

Yeah just not the eternal salvation that you are speaking about. Again you have to get past the idea that the Bible only speaks about eternal salvation. If you never get past that idea then you are going to run into major problems with the way Scripture lays things out.
What you have described is a works based salvation. You confess, you call, you repent. Where are the works of Christ?

The repentance spoken of in the Gospel accounts and the first few chapters of Acts, is a national repentance. It was a command as you say not a suggestion. But it was a command for the entire nation of Israel to repent.
Does the entire nation of the USA have to repent in order for you to be saved?

 

Well if that helps people keep it straigtht then that is okay.

That's just comical.

Eternal salvation does not save the soul. We are dead in trespasses and sin. We are spiritually dead. It is our spirit that is made alive by God's grace through faith apart from our works. The Holy Spirit breathes life into our dead spirit making it alive and passing it from darkness into the marvelous light.

At that point the spirit and the soul are separated (Hebrews 4:12, Genesis 1:2-3). What fellowship hath light and darkness? None. You are saved spiritually by believing in the death and shed blood of Jesus on your behalf (Acts 16:30-31 - Romans 4).

The salvation of your soul comes into play ONLY after you are eternally saved. The salvation of the soul (James 1:21, I Peter 1:9, Hebrews 10:39 - just to name a few of the verses) is for kingdom purposes.

You can save your life (soul) now (meaning live for yourself) and lose your life (soul) in the age to come, or you can lose your life (soul) now and find life in the age to come.

Lot's wife looked back and lost her life (Hebrew word translated as life in that passage is the word for soul). She lost her life for disobedience, just as unfaithful, disobedient, non-overcoming Christians will lose their soul in the kingdom age.

This theology is anything but shallow. It is the strong meat of the Word of God. I will give you that it can be confusing, as this has not been taught by many over the last few years and this is the one message that has received the most Satanic attack, starting in the first century of the church.

This is the only message that directly impacts Satan and his future.

Amen! All I have to do is believe and have faith. I wish people would keep the simple message simple.

Unfortunately you are corrupting the simple message. You just got through saying the gospel message was simple and now you are trying to add to it.

Repentance is a work of man, because it is man that changes his mind. God does not force you to change your mind. He may convict you that something is true, but you are responsible for changing your mind. It is a work and not a part of eternal salvation or Ephesians 2:8-9 would have said grace through faith and repentance not of works. But you quoted it yourself and repentance is not there.

Acts 16:30-31 has nothing about repentance in the answer. I guess they were just lying to that poor jailor and he's still unsaved today.

Romans 4 said Abraham was justified because he believed God. Nothing there about repentance. I guess Abraham is a little toasty these days huh?

If repentance was individual then why didn't Christ establish the kingdom? There were a number of people that repented and accepted Christ as their king. Why didn't he set up the kingdom?

Repent for the kingdom of heaven is at hand. That was his message and John the Baptist's message. So where is the kingdom?

It wasn't set up because ALL of Israel was to have repented. It was a call to national repentance not individual repentance.

 

Well what strikes me about this question is this is the question that everyone wants answered when all is said and done. And they bank everything on this one question. If you can't answer this one question then despite all that has been shown Scripturally it can't be right, because of this one question.

The answer is I don't know. From what I can see in Scripture one of three things happens. Perhaps none of the three are true, I don't know.

One the soul and the spirit both go into the presence of the Lord at death and the body to the grave awating resurrection. Two the spirit goes to be with the Lord, the body to the grave and the soul nowhere because the soul is in the blood and no more blood no more soul. Or three the soul would go into a temporary holding place awaiting judgment, because the spirit has already been judged.

To me the second option is probably the most likely option, but it is certainly nothing that can be dogmatic.

However despite not knowing exactly what happens to the soul in no way diminishes the Truth of Scripture that says the soul can be saved or lost. There's just no way of getting around those Scriptures if we leave them in their original context and allow the context to tell us what the words mean. It just can't be done without placing contradictions on the Scriptures, which can not be there or God is a liar. And that's just not an option.

 

Leviticus 17:11 For the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given it to you on the altar to make atonement for your souls; for it is the blood by reason of the life that makes atonement.'

The word translated life (For the life) is the Hebrew word for soul.

Again I don't think, or at least I haven't found or been shown, the Bible gives us enough information to be dogmatic as to what "exactly" happens to us at death.

 

Read the book of James just to start.