Originally Posted by OldRegular
2. The basis of science is that it makes sense??
Response by Ed Ed
Nope, the basis of science is that GOD MAKES SENSE. Contrast with random events, what if you did the same thing over and over and different things happened every time - there would be no laws of anything. Yet the Universe God created shows that God makes sense.
You totally misunderstood: the LOGIC of science is that God exists and you can study some of the attribulates of God by studying (according to some priciples of science) His creation. So if you find someone who says they are a 'scientist' and that 'God is Dead' - they are being very illogical.
Ed Ed, your original post was misleading.
Originally Posted by Ed Edwards
IMHO God always makes sense (the very basis of Science, BTW). The 24 hour day in Genesis One really doesn't make sense EXCEPT as a metaphor.
It appears that you are saying two things, God makes sense and science makes sense. Perhaps that was not your intent but we will never know will we. By the way you failed to respond to my comments related to your statement that GOD makes sense. I trust that you will not disappoint me or Jarthur001 in the question he posed.
Now explain for all "usens" on this forum who are unlearned why a 24 hour day in Genesis 1 doesn't make sense.
Originally Posted by OldRegular
a. At one time science said the earth was flat.
Response by Ed Edwards
That was to jive with the mistaken idea that the 'day' in Genesis is limited to '24-hour days'. As you well note, that was wrong to do.
Ed ED, that answer is beyond credibility. The concept of a flat earth had nothing to do with limiting the Genesis day to 24 hours. You are grasping at straws.
Originally Posted by OldRegular
b. At one time science said there were four elements:
earth, air, fire, and water.
Response by Ed Edwards
1. That was to jive with the mistaken idea that the 'day' in Genesis is limited to '24-hour days'. As you well imply, that was wrong to do.
Ed ED, that answer is beyond credibility. How in the world can you draw a connection between the four elements above and limiting the Genesis day to 24 hours. The Greeks were the ones who stated there were earth, air, fire, and water. They had no knowledge of Genesis. You are grasping at straws and going down for the third time.
Response by Ed Edwards
2. Science still says there are 'four states of matter': solid, gas, energy, and liquid. Notice the same four in kind, but a new description of what the four things are.
Ed Ed, I believe you are a little behind. First energy is not a state of matter. It is true that the 1st Law of Thermodynamics states that the matter/energy of the universe is constant but that does not mean energy is a state of matter. Actually there are currently considered to be five [5] states of matter: solids, liquids, gases, plasmas, and Bose Einstein.
"Plasma is an ionized gas, a gas into which sufficient energy is provided to free electrons from atoms or molecules and to allow both species, ions and electrons, to coexist. In effect a plasma is a cloud of protons, neutrons and electrons where all the electrons have come loose from their respective molecules and atoms, giving the plasma the ability to act as a whole rather than as a bunch of atoms. Plasmas are the most common state of matter in the universe comprising more than 99% of our visible universe and most of that not visible."
"The collapse of the atoms into a single quantum state is known as Bose condensation or Bose-Einstein condensation is now considered a 5th state of matter.
Recently, scientists have discovered the Bose-Einstein condensate, which can be thought of as the opposite of a plasma. It occurs at ultra-low temperature, close to the point that the atoms are not moving at all. A Bose-Einstein condensate is a gaseous superfluid phase formed by atoms cooled to temperatures very near to absolute zero."
http://www.edinformatics.com/math_science/states_of_matter.htm
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Originally Posted by OldRegular
c. At one time doctors used leeches as a treatment for various and sundry illnesses.
Response by Ed Edwards
Actually, they still do. Leeches have a natural (i.e. God-made-it) chemical that reduces the clotting of human blood (and animals with similar blood). From those chemicals, other chemicals now exist to help people recover from heart attacks. Ed notes that many heart attacks come from lack of self-control at the table*
There is one drawback. Leeches can harbor dangerous bacteria which can be transmitted to the patient and cause infection. So doctors at the University of Wisconsin are developing a synthetic leech in the shape of a small glass and metal vial with fluid running through it, which mimics the leech's ability to irrigate the wound and increase circulation with a constant supply of fresh oxygenated blood while damaged veins regrow.
http://www.soundmedicine.iu.edu/archive/2002/mystery/leeches.html
Response by Ed Edwards
* note Here the 'table' is a figure of Speech (not a metaphor but a _____ (title)for all things involved in eating & drinking; i.e. where 'table' stands in for all the things necessary for food from initial planting to the time one stuffs it into their face)
Table might be a simile depending on how it is used. Simile: A figure of speech in which two unlikely things are explicitely compared, as in “she is like a rose.” I would not want to say "she is like a table" but some would.
Actually I believe table could be hyperbole: [1] Obvious and intentional exaggeration. [2] An extravagent statement or figure of speech not intended to be taken literally, as “to wait an eternity.” Something like "sleeping on that bed was like sleeping on a table".
Then of course there is allegory: The representation of an abstract or spiritual meaning through concrete or material forms. I know, the Lords table. Got it.
Next there is Parable: A short allegorical story designed to convey some truth, religious principle, or moral lesson. Perhaps you were using table in parabolic form Ed Ed. That is "don't be a glutton". Very Good.
Now for metaphor: The application of a word or phrase to an object or concept which it does not literally denote, in order to suggest comparison with another object or concept, as in “a mighty fortress is our God.”
I suppose a lap might be considered a table also! Would that be a metaphor Ed?
Originally Posted by OldRegular
d. enough said!
Response by Ed Edwards
You didn't say a thing that was of merit.
Try again. They say 'practice makes perfect'
Read and learn Ed. Read and learn.
Again you failed to respond to my comments related to your statement that GOD makes sense. I trust that you will not disappoint me or Jarthur001 in the question he posed.
