Pentecostal Order of Salvation

[Yeshua1]

And they knew not what they said until Jesus interpreted them.

Jesus NEVER told us that it was A Mil!

 

[Yeshua1]

He gave us the creeds to teach us. Reject that and stay in the dark.

You really believe that the scriptures alone cannot give us light? Don't all Cults founders, pastor russell, J Smith, EW etc all claim that without their teachings, even Bible not enough?

 

[Yeshua1]

I mean you cannot grasp the precision in the doctrines as stated in the creeds. And possibly you do not agree with them while thinking you might.

So the writers of the Creeds know theology better then Paul did?

 

[Yeshua1]

I mean you cannot grasp the precision in the doctrines as stated in the creeds. And possibly you do not agree with them while thinking you might.

More precise than Paul and Jesus themselves?

 

[Yeshua1]

He gave us the creeds to teach us. Reject that and stay in the dark.

Pastor Russel and Ellen White said same things about their "creeds"

 

[Yeshua1]

Normally, a true believer studies God's word and tests any creed of fallen men against what God declares.
My friend, it seems you worship the creeds of men above the word of God. Be careful.

We have KJVO, now we have Creed Only!

 

[Yeshua1]

I am referring to you.

I don't assume. I test the spirits of men. You assume that the creeds are authoritative over and above God's word, which is a terrible assumption. It is the same assumption that the Pharisees made.

Sounds like what Catholic Church states, as Church over the scriptures to them!

 

[Yeshua1]

It's hard to wiggle out of this one. Condemning the Creeds while spouting your own.

None are condemning the Creeds, as I abide with the 1689 LBCF, but do not say that scriptures alone are not sufficient!

 

[Yeshua1]

You are telling lies about me on top of it all. Nobody places the creeds above the word.

You seem to put them on par!

 

[1689Dave]

You seem to put them on par!

If the teaching is true, they summarize scripture.

 

[1689Dave]

None are condemning the Creeds, as I abide with the 1689 LBCF, but do not say that scriptures alone are not sufficient!

So what makes you different from anyone else who says the same?

 

[1689Dave]

Pastor Russel and Ellen White said same things about their "creeds"

They had their personal creeds just as you do. The Ecumenical Creeds unite Christians. You divide them.

 

[1689Dave]

More precise than Paul and Jesus themselves?

They explain Paul and Jesus beyond your grasp.

 

[1689Dave]

So the writers of the Creeds know theology better then Paul did?

They explain what Paul said. Any Christian should be familiar with them.

 

[1689Dave]

You really believe that the scriptures alone cannot give us light? Don't all Cults founders, pastor russell, J Smith, EW etc all claim that without their teachings, even Bible not enough?

Scriptures give you the basic info. But you cannot know the deep things of Christ revealed through the refinement the creed went through. If you knew what they said, we would not need to measure your comprehension as we are now.

 

[1689Dave]

Jesus NEVER told us that it was A Mil!

Find a millennium in his gospel of the kingdom. Preached in the gospels.

 

[AustinC]

It's hard to wiggle out of this one. Condemning the Creeds while spouting your own.

Tell me what creed I have shared.
Is God's word not sufficient?

 

[AustinC]

You are telling lies about me on top of it all. Nobody places the creeds above the word.

Yet, here you are demanding people must follow the creeds of men.

 

[1689Dave]

Yet, here you are demanding people must follow the creeds of men.

Your "creed of man" says remain ignorant. Don't study so you know what you're talking about.

 

[1689Dave]

Tell me what creed I have shared.
Is God's word not sufficient?

You condemn the creeds while spouting your own = hypocrisy.