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Poll- Do babies that die go to hell?

Poll- Do babies that die go to hell?


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Iconoclast

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Are you aware how well thought out and biblically based these man-made confessions are which you seem to despise?

No...GT...sadly some would rather remain ignorant of God honoring truth and as you say despise the prayer and study of godly teachers.

I know these men were gifted by God and were strong in the word of God.

Looks as if you and a few others understand this as well.....others prefer their error through pride and just being stubborn:thumbsup::thumbsup:
 

Iconoclast

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Usually in a debate forum we debate each other. I prefer not to debate a confession that I already know I disagree with in the first place. Confessions are pieces of paper, inanimate, like rocks.

Some of us when we recognize truth being clearly articulated enjoy it as it opens our minds to portions of scripture that help understand.

No need to re-invent the wheel....

those who enjoy these tools can support them....whereas you cannot begin to demonstrate in any fashion that any of these links are wrong.


they expose your mistaken notions, you do not like that so you are critical...that is how we see your empty objections:thumbs:
 

Iconoclast

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Well thought out and biblically based?

Huh?

Over at the Reformed Baptist Fellowship Blog, it is admitted that the "elect infants..." clause of The Confession "goes beyond the Scriptural teaching, and it probably would have been better omitted from the Confession, since it is arguably dubious."

http://reformedbaptistfellowship.or...friend-about-matt-19-14-and-infant-salvation/

as usual...you leave out the part of the article that gives the full picture:laugh:

It may be hard to accept, but little children, even infants, are guilty under God’s sentence of death, and dead in sin. They are wholly defiled, with a corrupted nature, conceived in sin, servants of sin, subject to death, which is the wages of sin, and to and all other miseries. Note this well: they are subject to “spiritual and eternal” miseries, according to the teaching of our esteemed Confession, which is amply supported by the Scriptures. Of course “eternal miseries” could mean nothing else than everlasting torment under God’s just wrath.

Now the Confession would be misconstrued if one thought it means that infants who die in infancy actually do perish. Rather, it is zealous to imply that they deserve to perish, and that they are liable to perish. Only the grace of God, and not their supposed innocence, would account for saved infants, so that the God of grace will have the praise for it.

The Confession explicitly affirms infant salvation in these words, “Elect Infants dying in infancy, are regenerated and saved by Christ through the Spirit; who worketh when, and where, and how he pleaseth” (1689 LBCF 10.3), but it does not make a statement about the number or identification of such “elect infants.” Even this cautious statement goes beyond the Scriptural teaching, and it probably would have been better omitted from the Confession, since it is arguably dubious. Still, it asserts only the salvation of “elect infants dying in infancy,” not all infants dying in infancy.

Spurgeon and many Christians today have exceeded both the biblical statement and the confessional statement in advocating the doctrine of universal, unconditional infant salvation.

Surely all Calvinists can affirm that if there are any “elect infants,” they shall certainly be saved, along with all God’s elect.
 
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DHK

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Some of us when we recognize truth being clearly articulated enjoy it as it opens our minds to portions of scripture that help understand.

No need to re-invent the wheel....

those who enjoy these tools can support them....whereas you cannot begin to demonstrate in any fashion that any of these links are wrong.


they expose your mistaken notions, you do not like that so you are critical...that is how we see your empty objections:thumbs:
The link didn't "expose" anything that I believe.
 

Iconoclast

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The link didn't "expose" anything that I believe.

any link I have posted usually does...that is why you dislike them.
You cannot answer them, just like the sermons I have offered to you.....you probably listened in secret, but could not answer so you speak against them:laugh:

When OR. or Bosley, or Reformed, or Rippon answer you...you speak against them....then as they add scripture you tell them they are not relevant and tell them to back out of the thread....you do this quite often,,,,we have noticed this .
 

Winman

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YLT having foreseen, he did speak concerning the rising again of the Christ, that his soul was not left to hades, nor did his flesh see corruption.

A part of the resurrection is that the soul was not left to Hades.

That scripture can not be any cleared than what it says. The soul was inclusive in the rising again, resurrection.

Of course Jesus' soul was not left in hell, who said it was?

Peter was using the argument, that Jesus's physical body had resurrected, and this was the proof he was the Christ.

David was still in the grave, and his sepulchre was still there in Jerusalem that very day.

Acts 2:29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.
30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;
31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.
32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.

Peter and the other disciples did not see Jesus's soul when it was raised, they saw his BODY. They touched his body, they saw him eat. This was the proof Jesus was the Christ.

And they saw his body physically ascend into the clouds. This was the proof that Jesus was Christ.

I think Peter's point is escaping you.
 

Iconoclast

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Winman

Icon, I included choice #3 specifically for folks like you that believe some babies are elect and will go to heaven, while other babies are not elect and would therefore go to hell.

I have never said that is my position so you are talebearing...it shows again you are reading without comprehension.
I understand your position perfectly.

No you do not or you would not post the wicked ideas you post.


Your doctrine is not nearly as difficult to understand as you think. You puff yourself up believing you are more intelligent than others. If you were really intelligent you would recognize how illogical much of Calvinism is.

Yes...I am such a genius...I am driving a truck:laugh:...just like you are wrong on scripture...you cannot even figure this out.....but it looks good to make a personal attack in your mind...I understand.....it must be tough to be you:laugh:
 

DHK

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any link I have posted usually does...that is why you dislike them.
You cannot answer them, just like the sermons I have offered to you.....you probably listened in secret, but could not answer so you speak against them
Sorry to disappoint you Icon. I don't listen to the sermons and rarely click on a link. That is the honest truth.
 
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Iconoclast

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DHK
Sorry to disappoint you Icon. I don't listen to the sermons and rarely click on a link. That is the honest truth
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DHK.....I do find that disappointing. You are certainly within your right to abstain from such study tools but I think that is not wise...

When debating I like to see what is written right in front of me, not off in a link somewhere. I also like to debate a person.
when the link is posted...it is written right on your screen.....DHK...what possible difference does it make...if I write it....or a pastor who lived 400yrs ago? If we are seeking truth that should be what we are concerned about.

I cut and paste the best teaching I can find. These are proven and trusted guides.....not infallible.....but solid teachers...I enjoy them.

Can you honestly say that most of what gets posted here is biblically superior to what these godly saints learned and share with us in their writings???

Many here enjoy the links quite a bit.....you...not at all .

Then you quote other men and that is okay???:confused:;)
 
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Winman

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Winman

I have never said that is my position so you are talebearing...it shows again you are reading without comprehension.

That confession you showed was represented by choice #3 which said elect infants go to heaven, and non-elect infants go to hell.

Isn't that what you believe? If not, then why did you submit a confession that said that?

No you do not or you would not post the wicked ideas you post.

If you believe that confession you posted, then I certainly do understand your position and have for years.

Again, your doctrine is not nearly as complicated as you think it is. It is actually quite simple, and quite illogical.


Yes...I am such a genius...I am driving a truck:laugh:...just like you are wrong on scripture...you cannot even figure this out.....but it looks good to make a personal attack in your mind...I understand.....it must be tough to be you:laugh:

I would never fault anybody for driving a truck, it is a vital job that keeps our economy running. I drove a truck for a few years myself when I was a young man and enjoyed it.

But you think these authors you quote are more intelligent than regular folks here at BB. That is not true. Many of the authors you quote hold very illogical views.

The fact that you can find 20 Reformed authors who all believe something that is illogical does not mean it is not illogical.
 

pinoybaptist

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They go to Heaven because God is JUST and would not punish a baby that had no choice. WinMan often confuses Hyper Calvinism with Biblical Calvinism and there are no comparisons, but in WinMan's world of not reading books and remaining in ignorance, WinMan has failed to see that it is the Hyper's that say God has created people to be evil and determines and will's a person to go to Hell. Biblical Calvinists do not believe so.

Choice ? going to heaven is not about choice, at least, not about man's choice.
Babies do not go to hell because they have no works they can be convicted of.
God does not send babies to hell because they have a fallen nature.
Read Revelation 20 and it clearly says those whom God cast into the lake of fire were cast there because of their works, not their fallen nature.
I used to think babies were also elect, and unelect, but God's unfathomable mercy precludes that, after much thought and study about it.
 

OldRegular

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DHK



most times I post I am in public[truckstops] I use earphones when in public



I have learned and do learn from others often....I like to give them credit rather than plagiarize.

Icon,

You are a truck driver. That is fine and you are to be commented for your continued participation while on the road. The Prince of Preachers, Charles Spurgeon, was converted at age 15 and began to preach a year later. As far as i can tell he had no formal education beyond that but by the time of his death in 1892, he had preached nearly 3,600 sermons and published 49 volumes of commentaries, sayings, anecdotes, illustrations and devotions. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Spurgeon]

I think you do a great job even though I may disagree with you on occasion. Don't let some of these people on this Board give you a hard time for your beliefs and your posts. As far as the Confessions are concerned we all owe a great debt of gratitude to these old Saints. Their knowledge of Scripture and their stand for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints, sometimes in the midst of persecution, is to me an indication of the Grace of God in their lives and their work.
 

OldRegular

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What happened to my last two posts, DHK? I had the last two posts on this thread this morning and now they are gone. Is it one of the perks given a moderator that they can delete posts at their pleasure; especially those that tell the truth!One perk I found out you have last night is that you cannot be added to the "ignore" list but never mind I can still ignore anyone who would abuse the Word of God as you did on a previous thread. Will you delete this one before anyone reads it!
 

annsni

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Jehovah, my heart is not haughty, nor mine eyes lofty; Neither do I exercise myself in great matters, Or in things too wonderful for me. Ps 131:1

I know that God is good and just and righteous in all that He does and that all those little babies that you like to put on that you're sooooo concerned with are in His good hands. IOW, I'm not the least bit concerned about the eternal destiny of little babies.

This is my feeling too. What God does with babies who have died, He chose not to tell us but I know He is just and the eternity of these children is in His hands.
 
What happened to my last two posts, DHK? I had the last two posts on this thread this morning and now they are gone. Is it one of the perks given a moderator that they can delete posts at their pleasure; especially those that tell the truth!One perk I found out you have last night is that you cannot be added to the "ignore" list but never mind I can still ignore anyone who would abuse the Word of God as you did on a previous thread. Will you delete this one before anyone reads it!

Yeah, where did they go? I saw them on this thread and "poof" and they're gone...wonder where they went DHK???
 

OldRegular

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Yeah, where did they go? I saw them on this thread and "poof" and they're gone...wonder where they went DHK???

Perhaps they were "raptured"! I thought they were good but not that good even though I was up at 2:00 AM working on them! I believe one, or more, by DHK is also missing! Strange!
 
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