Predestination: Meaning and Application

Seems to me we pretty well agree James, I don't see too much different. Seems you and I agree more than BP/T and I, unless I misread you.

 

I will answer this with very few words.

God is Omnipresence and is everywhere and even at the end as we speak. He also was there when Jacob and Esau were born

and saw the birth take place before it did. He knew before hand that Esau would sell his birth right. He knew Who would have

faith in God and who would not before the world began because he sees all and saw Jacob's faith as He see, saw, seen our

faith. He see, saw, seen us choose to serve God also. amen,

 

Are you saying God did not elect one son over the other...he just knew it would happen?

Are you saying..God did not shape the clay the way He wanted?

Are you saying God did not have mercy on some...and no mercy on others?

 

Bob..I do not say that the word has not gone out in some way.

This is what I always ask....

Has some like the made up guy named Joe.....heard less times then you Bob?

I have met Joes...have you?

 

At that time before His death it was Israel for He said go ye not the way of the Gentiles and the City of the Samartians enter you not but rather go ye to the lost sheep of Israel. We were alien and without God until He broke down the middle wall of partition.

 

If they are elect..what about other nations? Are they the non elect..when it comes to nations?

 

Ok, James congratulations, you pinned me down on Romans 10:18. I value my friendship with Brother Bob very much and admire his many years of service to the Lord. There is no need for this back and forth with him.

Now, lets see how far your Calvinism goes the other way. There are some on here, I think pinyo something is one of them, that think preachers, missions, tracts, etc are a waste of time because you are born elected. This is hyper to me and unBiblical.

Now, please answer my question. Do all those who hear accept?

 

Yes James;
I agree with you that we have more opportunity than say Kenya but I am sure glad to hear you say you believe the word has went out.

 

If I understand the Scripture right James, as we have to go through Christ those that were not Israel in those days had to accept Israel's God if they wanted to be saved.

 

are you really a Calvinist? I have yet hear you post your views. All you say is.."i'm a Calvinist"..but do not be mean to Bob.

Be not ashame of your faith. Bob is not ashame. I do not agree with Bob...but he takes a stand and will fight to the death. I respect Bob for that.

But will you? One thing I do not like is wishy washy people with no backbone. Do you have it..or do you place Bob's feels above Gods feelings? Is it your faith..or are you just playing games. Stand up for your GOD! He died for YOU!! Do not backdown. Be bold.

 

Ok, James there you have it.

 

I agree!

But did God choose a nation..one nation over the other nations..and thereby we can call that nation the elect of God...and the other nations that was not choosen...the non elect?

 

James he just agreed with BP/T on verse 18. I didn't know you and I agreed on verse 18 or at least pretty close.

I am not mad at Sat for agreeing against me at all. This is not the first time and won't be the last.

 

You fail to answer the question. You are one to talk about backbone. Being rude, and irrational does not equal boldness for the Lord. If you do not want to explain your position on your faith, go to another thread.

Once again, I will ask, if a person has heard, will he always believe?

Long posts that never pin down any points accomplish nothing.

 

Yes, but made a way for all through Israel and I say made a way for all through Christ today.

 

Oh and James, I never realized that God was in the business of electing nations. I thought all this time it was individuals. Tell me, is Canada saved or lost? How about Mongolia?

 

this is what you say...but what does the Bible say.
Bob words in bold...

Ideas any one???

I have a good idea. Lets just believe Gods Word. Sounds go to me.

 

English classes are avaliable at your local community college. If you enroll, you will find the word good is spelled "good."

 

Saturn....nah, it isn't worth it.

 

This is to silly.

Do you even believe in election? Do You believe God Choose one over another? If not..you will never understand.

Come tell us now...are you a Calvinist like you have said...and if so..why?

Have some backbone. Did not God die for you? Can you not take a stand for God?

If anyone hates you..who cares? You hate, do you think i care??

Tis God I will stand for. Tis His salvation and His plan.