Predestination: Meaning and Application

Yea, that is good isn't it?:thumbs:

Wonder how they get around just this one Scripture

"9": That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.

 

Thanks Bob

Here is the deal. 1) None of these verse matter. The fact remains..and will always remain. Some hear more times then others. You cannot sit there and say that you think you... living in the Bible Bult..with many many churches...with many many preachers...did not have more chances to hear Gods Word...then some guy in wilds of kenya.

As poof...I give you romans 10..the very text we are looking at.

What do you think Paul meant when he said...

"How shall they hear without a preacher?"

Was this a trick?
or..
Did God though the Words of Paul mean this?

 

James,
What about all those people in the bible belt that have heard over and over and never respond? Just like as you say, the people in Kenya?

 

Pleaseeeeeeee read the rest and Paul was convinced the rest heard why can't you? Paul was not tricked, He wrote it.

15: And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
16: But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?
17: So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
18: But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world.
19: But I say, Did not Israel know? First Moses saith, I will provoke you to jealousy by them that are no people, and by a foolish nation I will anger you.
20: But Esaias is very bold, and saith, I was found of them that sought me not; I was made manifest unto them that asked not after me.

James answer this Scripture;
"9": That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.

 

before we get to this...

Let me ask you as a Calvinist that you have claimed to be...please give your views on the Romans chapter 10.

I have yet to here your views on any passage.

If your to ashamed to share..just say so..and I'll not ask you again to share Gods Word.

If you are not...please share.


Thanks

 

James;
Please give me your veiw on this Scripture;

"9": That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.

 

yes..tis what it says. The word has been preached...around the world.

Now........has all heard as much as others?

I have been to mission fields where NNE has even heard the name of Christ. Lets call this guy Joe.

Bob....how many times have you heard in 60+ years?

I do not know...but I bet it is more then 200 times..being that you are a preacher.

So..lets say 200

Bob...200

Joe...1

Who has heard more..bob or Joe?

 

You got to be kidding. Better read that passage again before you ask a Calvinist about John 1.

 

Romans 10 has many subjects, but centering on Romans 10:18, I would agree that without men called of God to preach the Gospel, salvation would escape all who did not hear. However, that does not mean all who hear the Gospel believe. If there are other verses in question, let me know. Which is why I wanted you to answer my question first.

 

I doubt it but there are a lot who you are referring to that have heard false doctrine instead of the truth. There is more false doctrine going around than the real thing. Its a money thing now and has been taken out of yours and my hands. Money is much stronger than we are and now for the sake of tithes they will say or do anything.
but, your point is well taken about the two legged preacher being more abundant here than in Kenya or somewhere but according to Scripture they have received the word, and that has been the question all along, not who received the most word.

 

No Sir: I shun no part of the Bible. If its against my belief then I will change to be in line with the Scripture. So what is your answer please.

 

the point...

has some had more times to hear then others?

thus..

Has some men had more grace given to them by God then others?

Not to JUST pick on you. But this is so clear..why not just say yes?? Bob? Saturn? Blammo? Anybody?

 

No, preaching is not Grace. I say NO!!! The Gospel is Grace, even the devil has his preachers and plenty of them.

 

saturnptune;

You say the preacher must get there then in verse 18 it says they have heard so are you saying the preacher got to them?

18: But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world.

Colossians 1:23 If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;

 

Bob,

Now that is more like it. I like the good bold spirit..with no fight. Now my post..

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Now Comes the Test....

1) Who is the light?
2) Had the light come to earth?
3) Does the light have the power to save men all that received the light and make then the Sons of God?
4) Did the world know Him and receive Him?


Now pass your papers forward.

My guess is that not one freewiller will answer these. We shall see

 

You mean you can say you have been graced to have a car and a house, and yet to Hear Gods word to you is not grace?

If this is what you mean...you better step down from your job today. Tha is bold...but I must say it.

But we have been in the easy stuff so far.

Lets seal this once and for all.

Romans 9

Do we have a God in control or what?

Election is the work of God. Can I have an amen?


In Christ...James

 

Why would you say that. I don't understand. He came to His own "elect" but they received Him not. He broke down the middle wall of partition between the Jew and the Greek so that the way was made for the Gentile also but He had to die to complete this. So what you are referring to now is when He first came and said go ye not the way of the Gentiles, but after His resurrection He called them together again and said Now, go ye into all the world and he that believeth and is baptized shall be saved. amen,

1. The True Light is Jesus Christ
2. The True Light was made flesh and born of a woman on earth.
3. The True Light is the Saviour of the world and a special Saviour to the believer.
4. The world knew Him not before He gave His life but after He said they shall know me from the least unto the greatest. And go not to your neighbor saying know ye the Lord. When His plan was completed yes according to the Scriptures they did know Him.
Even the soldier that peirced Him in the side confessed and said "truly this is the Son of Man".

 

If this is true wonder why He only found Grace in the eyes of one man in Noah's days.
But I did edit my response so you might want to go back and look.

 

Who are the elect you speak of Bob?

 

Nothing like adding to the text...right Bob. Do you ever go by context. Lets see what we have here.

Can a man be saved without the atonement of Christ toward God for our sins?