Predestination: Meaning and Application

[npetreley]

So do you agree with Bob?

Didn't you read? He's tired of your insults and silly questions. :smilewinkgrin:

 

[Jarthur001]

I think James is trying to be too smart now and calling saturneptune (Bob). I don't mind if you call me saturneptune but don't know if he cares too much for you calling him (me).

Bob,

That was bobby...I do not know his real name.

But back to the subject. Was you not going to post a long reply or something? Or is this debate over with? We can talk about me...or BP/T...or Bob...or your son...or whoever you want...or we can talk about the sunject

 

[Brother Bob]

Bob,

That was bobby...I do not know his real name.

But back to the subject. Was you not going to post a long reply or something? Or is this debate over with? We can talk about me...or BP/T...or Bob...or your son...or whoever you want...or we can talk about the sunject

James; who is bobby? If there is another one on here it curtains for you bud!

 

[Blammo]

Bob,

That was bobby...I do not know his real name.

But back to the subject. Was you not going to post a long reply or something? Or is this debate over with? We can talk about me...or BP/T...or Bob...or your son...or whoever you want...or we can talk about the sunject

Okay, James, I'm here to learn, so someone get us back on topic.

 

[Jarthur001]

I think James is trying to be too smart now and calling saturneptune (Bob). I don't mind if you call me saturneptune but don't know if he cares too much for you calling him (me).

I think he is insinuating that you are free will saturneptune. James and the theologian are deep deep you know.

But Bob... bobby...says he is a Calvinist. Are you saying he has lied all this time? He says it..yet never stands for it. He only debates against Calvinist. wonder Why?....humm

Do you think bobby is freewill or a calvinist Bob? humm

 

[Brother Bob]

Ok, if verse 18 of Romans: 10 is the Gospel and Paul said it went unto all the earth. What does it mean?

Drop it James!

 

[Jarthur001]

Okay, James, I'm here to learn, so someone get us back on topic.

i agree...

 

[saturneptune]

Do I agree with Bob? Not a lot of the time. You need to be specific on what you think we disagree on. It is not your theology I disagree with, it is your demeanor and arrogance. Bob and I disagree on quite a few points when it comes to free will vs soveignty of God. First of all, you James, if that is your name, quite often restate what Bob has just said in a skewed or different way from what he said, then criticize him for what you just misrepresented. So using your question as a standard, forget it.

Bob knows how to have a civil converstion with those who are civil.

Npet, you and James should go out for some beers.

 

[Jarthur001]

Ok, if verse 18 of Romans: 10 is the Gospel and Paul said it went unto all the earth. What does it mean?

Drop it James!

I'll wait and see what your dude says 1st.

 

[Brother Bob]

James; If you want to open a can of worms go to it.

 

[Jarthur001]

Do I agree with Bob? Not a lot of the time. You need to be specific on what you think we disagree on. It is not your theology I disagree with, it is your demeanor and arrogance. Bob and I disagree on quite a few points when it comes to free will vs soveignty of God. First of all, you James, if that is your name, quite often restate what Bob has just said in a skewed or different way from what he said, then criticize him for what you just misrepresented. So using your question as a standard, forget it.

Bob knows how to have a civil converstion with those who are civil.

Npet, you and James should go out for some beers.

1st...I do not drink.

But going with the subject...what do you think of romans 10?

do you agree with Bob? Or do you agree with BP/T?

If so..why?
This is the most I have heard you say on doctrine..so now i'm excited.

Bob knows how I feel on this..i have said many times. But I will repeat it...if you want. But I would like to hear your views 1st.


Thanks

 

[Blammo]

Ok, if verse 18 of Romans: 10 is the Gospel and Paul said it went unto all the earth. What does it mean?

Drop it James!

It means what it says. That's my take. :smilewinkgrin:

Acts 2:5-11 And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven. Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language. And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans? And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born? Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia, Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes, Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God.

Look how many different nations are listed here. Just one example.

 

[Jarthur001]

James; If you want to open a can of worms go to it.

Just asking for his views bob. Why would that be a can of worms? Is that wrong? If so...i'm sorry. But I thought this was a theology debate board. If I'm wrong..please forgive me. If not..should he not answer?

 

[Jarthur001]

It means what it says. That's my take. :smilewinkgrin:

Acts 2:5-11 And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven. Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language. And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans? And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born? Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia, Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes, Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God.

Look how many different nations are listed here. Just one example.

good point...

I'll wait and see what others have to say 1st..then I'll tell you my views again.

 

[Brother Bob]

Romans: 8

"19": For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.

"20": For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,

"21": Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.

Ok, was this talking about (man) or monkeys, pigs etc? BP/T said it could be talking about monkeys.

 

[saturneptune]

Jarthur,
Just to make sure, why dont you summarize what YOU think Bob's take on Romans 10:18 is and what B P/T is?

 

[Blammo]

A couple more verses:

Isaiah 49:6 And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth.

Isaiah 52:10 The LORD hath made bare his holy arm in the eyes of all the nations; and all the ends of the earth shall see the salvation of our God.

 

[Jarthur001]

Jarthur,
Just to make sure, why dont you summarize what YOU think Bob's take on Romans 10:18 is and what B P/T is?

so YOU have no view?

look..we all know I'm a mean old Calvinist.
It has been said i twist...i misuse the Bible.

Tis said I pick on your bubby.

That is old news..right? I mean..to hear you..i will always twist..

So..again I ask you...do you agree with Bob?

Or..do you agree BP/T.

and..
why?

Everyone knows my twisted views. you have yet to share your views other then to hug bob when I'm mean to him.

WHAT ARE YOUR VIEWS ON ROMANS 10??????????????????

Not a..ol i'm a calvinist..but..but ..but..you guys are mean to bob..and..and..you guys say mean things to him...and stop it...stop it... STOP IT!!

Hey..i'm a bad guy...i'm ugly...whatever you want to call me

now...WHAT ARE YOUR VIEWS ON ROMANS 10??????????????????

 

[Brother Bob]

He won't commit himself will he. When you commit yourself then you have to defend yourself. I believe the word myself. If you tell one story you don't have to remember what you said for its the same all the time. Well I tell the story of the Scriptures so I can keep it straight just like the following;

Romans 10:
17: So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
18: But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world.


Hebrews, chapter 4

"1": Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.

"2": For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.

"3": For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.

Acts 26:20-26 But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance. For these causes the Jews caught me in the temple, and went about to kill me. Having therefore obtained help of God, I continue unto this day, witnessing both to small and great, saying none other things than those which the prophets and Moses did say should come: That Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles. And as he thus spake for himself, Festus said with a loud voice, Paul, thou art beside thyself; much learning doth make thee mad. But he said, I am not mad, most noble Festus; but speak forth the words of truth and soberness. For the king knoweth of these things, before whom also I speak freely: for I am persuaded that none of these things are hidden from him; for this thing was not done in a corner.

Colossians 1:4-6 Since we heard of your faith in Christ Jesus, and of the love which ye have to all the saints, For the hope which is laid up for you in heaven, whereof ye heard before in the word of the truth of the gospel; Which is come unto you, as it is in all the world; and bringeth forth fruit, as it doth also in you, since the day ye heard of it, and knew the grace of God in truth:

Colossians 1:23 If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;

Have they not heard?


John, chapter 1

6": There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.

"7": The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.

"8": He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.
"9": That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.

"10": He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.


Isaiah 49:6 And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth.

Isaiah 52:10 The LORD hath made bare his holy arm in the eyes of all the nations; and all the ends of the earth shall see the salvation of our God.

 

[Blammo]

Hebrews 4:2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.

Great verse Brother Bob.

So faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God, but, salvation is contingent on belief.