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Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by steaver, Jan 13, 2015.

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  1. PreachTony

    PreachTony Active Member

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    I believe the gospel, but I don't believe TULIP.

    Does that mean I'm not saved?
     
    #101 PreachTony, Jan 19, 2015
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    SBM is ultra-hyper....
     
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    pt

    I have stated what I stated, come to your own conclusion !
     
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    In the words of Willis....your getting there :thumbs:
     
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    Are you not "ultra-hyper"? You agreed with my OP sermon which declares the same as SBM.
     
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    You have no clue what I am. You're on here supporting the 'bash-a-Cal' movement...no, strike that...you're spearheading that movement. We are saved by grace and not knowledge...


    Shoo fly...shoo...
     
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    Shoo fly....shoo...


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    #107 convicted1, Jan 19, 2015
  8. PreachTony

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    I'm aware. I even jokingly asked a few days ago if we were exploring hyper-Calvinism or, to paraphrase the immortal Spaceballs, had we bypassed that and entered ludicrous-Calvinism?
     
    #108 PreachTony, Jan 19, 2015
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    If you are speaking about Salvation from the penalty of sin, then the Elect are saved only by Grace, however in their conversion unto the Truth, they are saved from error and false doctrines by Spiritual Knowledge which is by Grace also !

    For instance, thats what Paul means in 1 Tim 2:4

    4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

    Being saved here is about coming into the Knowledge of the Truth !

    Its the same here 2 Thess 2:13

    13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

    Salvation here is belief of the Truth by the Sanctifying Work of the Spirit !

    One more, when Paul spake these words to Timothy 1 Tim 4:16

    Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee.

    Again, saved here is Doctrinal Salvation from the errors of the evil one, nothing to do with their Salvation from the Penalty of sin, Christ's Death alone accomplished that, however the saved ones must also be saved out of error and lies of the devil, so that they believe the Truth as it is in Christ Jesus !

    Prov 11:9

    An hypocrite with his mouth destroyeth his neighbour: but through knowledge shall the just be delivered.

    John Gill comments on this verse the following :

     
    #109 savedbymercy, Jan 19, 2015
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    1. In Calvinism is "TULIP" an explanation for how a person is saved?
    2. And the paradigm/story/system/model for "How a person is saved" is in fact a description of the "Gospel" is it not?

    So how is it you can believe the Gospel but not TULIP?
     
    #110 BobRyan, Jan 19, 2015
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    Aside from labels and names - what about details?

    In what "detail" do you differ with SBM and why?

    in Christ,

    Bob
     
    #111 BobRyan, Jan 19, 2015
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    Which is the point to be shown among Calvinists who argue against SBM's conclusions. SBM is simply choosing one way to solve the problem.

    Many times Calvinists solve the same problem by "leaving the conversation" with a generous amount of acrimony and vitriol added at times. Why not try to at least solve it? Improve on SBM's solution if you can do that without being Arminian.
     
    #112 BobRyan, Jan 19, 2015
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    SBM holds to 'eternal justification', I do not, just for starters...

    I do not believe one has to agree with TULIP to be my Brother or Sister...I think he does? Not for sure on that, though...
     
    #113 convicted1, Jan 19, 2015
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    They can't. SBM speaks the truth in Calvinism, they don't like it so they give a label of "Hyper". The doctrines of TULIP themselves are "Hyper".
     
    #114 steaver, Jan 19, 2015
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    So then SBM believes that God is not trying to "seek and save the lost" because God has already saved, sanctified, perfected, justified all the special-select "Few" of Matt 7 at the cross -- dying for them only. Caring for them only.

    And you (Convicted) are saying that the same texts that SBM uses for that (as in Heb 10:10-14) show something else -- right? If so -- how so (in your view of Calvinism's explanation) ?
     
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    Willis, you agreed with my OP sermon
    giving it a :thumbs:. Do you really know what you believe??
     
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    Sadly, you cannot give one quote of mine where I bashed a Cal, no, not one. Calvinism is taking a beating though, and it bothers you that you cannot defend it's conclusions. And we can all see by your post exactly what you believe, and you have been given ample space to make any clarifications but you simply complain and refuse to give answers....
     
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    Many on here have stated you don't understand Calvinism. You don't. I'll leave it there...

    God seeks and saves sinners. He doesn't seek and try to save them. God gives them the gifts of faith, repentance which causes them to seek Him...
     
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    Bob - I'm not a Calvinist, hence my disagreement with TULIP.
     
    #119 PreachTony, Jan 19, 2015
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    Actually, you confirmed that my OP sermon was spot on, so where does that leave you?

    SBM has confirmed my OP is spot on. Icon has by default confirmed my OP sermon is spot on bc he cannot point to any dishonest part in it. So yeah, you guys keep saying I don't understand but then keep on confirming my points.
     
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