Prolife myth

[Zaac]

And just how does an unborn child sin? You really need a lesson in reading comprehension!

So are you saying that God is a liar? It's HIS word that says ALL, not mine.

Are you saying that the unborn babies aren't a part of the ALL?

 

[Zaac]

You simply want to keep the term pro-life simple so you can feel good. But you really are not pro-life. Many who claim to be pro-life are not really pro-life ... they, and you, are simply pro-birth and you care nothing about providing for those kids in need once they are born. That would cost you and you do not want to pay the price of being truly pro-life.

You support a party that claims they are pro-life, but they are not. They simply want to collect votes by keeping it simply and blowing smoke. Your party wants to take away what little the poor and those in need have.

:applause::applause::applause:

 

[OldRegular]

:applause::applause::applause:

So you are reduced to reposting Crabbies nonsense! Pathetic! It has been obvious to all that, though you deny it like Crabbie, you support the party of death. And you get all teary eyed over the billion or so Muslims who are infidels!

 

[OldRegular]

Originally Posted by OldRegular
And just how does an unborn child sin? You really need a lesson in reading comprehension!

So are you saying that God is a liar? It's HIS word that says ALL, not mine.

Are you saying that the unborn babies aren't a part of the ALL?

I never associate God with the word lie, liar, lying, etc. God is Holy and care should be used when mentioning Him.

It is an extremely simple question Zaac. Even you should be able to answer it!

Just how does an unborn child sin? Beyond that just how does a newborn child sin?

 

[Bro. Curtis]

Pro-life for the living. Unless yer name is Terry Marie Shiavo.

 

[Zaac]

I never associate God with the word lie, liar, lying, etc. God is Holy and care should be used when mentioning Him.

It is an extremely simple question Zaac. Even you should be able to answer it!

Just how does an unborn child sin? Beyond that just how does a newborn child sin?

You're older and much wiser than I. So you tell me how they don't sin?

I in faith take God at His word and when HE says ALL, I accept, without having to know the how, that He means ALL.

But you seem to know a way for unborn babies to not sin and still be part of the ALL.

So please explain.

 

[OldRegular]

You're older and much wiser than I. So you tell me how they don't sin?

I concede that I am older and wiser than you. Unborn babies don't sin because they don't sin. Satisfied!

I in faith take God at His word and when HE says ALL, I accept, without having to know the how, that He means ALL.

When does an unborn child begin to sin, at the moment of conception, after one day, one week, one month; when Zaacie? If they can sin you would have to say at the moment of conception since a new human being is there!

But you seem to know a way for unborn babies to not sin and still be part of the ALL.

So please explain.

If you can tell me how an unborn child sins then do so! Otherwise it is childish, actually beyond childish, for you to insist that an unborn child sins.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

They don't need to. They inherit Adam's sinful nature at conception.

Do my clients with IQs that are below testable levels sin ? Doesn't matter. I do know ALL means ALL. I can't imagine God sending these folks to hell but his ways are not my ways. They have the same sin nature I do, so I believe they need a savior just like I do.

I don't know what will happen when they face judgement. I don't know what God does with babies. You're better off admitting you don't know, either.

 

[Zaac]

I concede that I am older and wiser than you. Unborn babies don't sin because they don't sin. Satisfied!

Umm, no. You're saying you're wiser than God Himself because HE says ALL, but your wisdom says NOT ALL.

So since you're wiser than God now, please explain.

When does an unborn child begin to sin, at the moment of conception, after one day, one week, one month; when Zaacie? If they can sin you would have to say at the moment of conception since a new human being is there!

I don't have a problem with that. God says ALL. He must mean ALL.

If you can tell me how an unborn child sins then do so! Otherwise it is childish, actually beyond childish, for you to insist that an unborn child sins.

I've already stated that I in faith take God at His word. You're the one who is at odds with the word of God.

So please explain for us if you believe the unborn are part of the ALL or not.

 

[OldRegular]

They don't need to. They inherit Adam's sinful nature at conception.

Do my clients with IQs that are below testable levels sin ? Doesn't matter. I do know ALL means ALL. I can't imagine God sending these folks to hell but his ways are not my ways. They have the same sin nature I do, so I believe they need a savior just like I do.

I don't know what will happen when they face judgement. I don't know what God does with babies. You're better off admitting you don't know, either.

I said initially {post #26} that all are born with the sin nature and will in time sin:

Scripture tells us:

Romans 3:23. For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

Romans 5:12. Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

I believe that the doctrine of inherited sin nature is Biblical, that every person born into this world will sin and is therefore no longer innocent. I believe the unborn child or the just born child or very young children are innocent.

Now if someone will tell me how an unborn or just born baby sins! And Zaac repeating his mantra doesn't prove anything!

 

[Zaac]

I said initially {post #26} that all are born with the sin nature and will in time sin:

And I've said before and say again, either you're wrong, or you have positioned God to be a liar.

ALL means ALL.

Now if someone will tell me how an unborn or just born baby sins! And Zaac repeating his mantra doesn't prove anything!

Since when does God's truth hinder on your ability to understand His truth?You're making yourself look silly. He says ALL, He means ALL.

 

[OldRegular]

And I've said before and say again, either you're wrong, or you have positioned God to be a liar.

ALL means ALL.




Since when does God's truth hinder on your ability to understand His truth?You're making yourself look silly. He says ALL, He means ALL.

Zaac, until you can tell me how and when an unborn child sins your mantra is nonsensical. You might as well be a Buddhist monk going Ummmm, Ummmm, Ummmm! But don't make an ass out of yourself by continually repeating blasphemous remarks about God! Now if you want to talk about Scripture consider the following:

Romans 3:4. God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.

So we start with the truth that every man is a liar, and "every man" includes you Zaac.

Now if you can tell me whether a child begins to sin at the moment of conception, after one day, one week, one month, whenever, then perhaps you will have something worth saying. Otherwise, squat, contemplate your navel, and go Ummmm, Ummmm, Ummmm!

 

[Bro. Curtis]

I said initially {post #26} that all are born with the sin nature and will in time sin:


Now if someone will tell me how an unborn or just born baby sins! And Zaac repeating his mantra doesn't prove anything!

I already said they don't have to. They have Adam's sinful nature, and need to be saved from it. No mantra.

 

[Zaac]

Zaac, until you can tell me how and when an unborn child sins your mantra is nonsensical.

And that makes you just as unbelieving as the atheist down the street claiming that God ain't real because nobody can prove to them that He's there.

You might as well be a Buddhist monk going Ummmm, Ummmm, Ummmm! But don't make an ass out of yourself by continually repeating blasphemous remarks about God! Now if you want to talk about Scripture consider the following:

Umm don't be cussing at me. :smilewinkgrin: It's not my fault that you don't believe God's word when He says ALL.

So we start with the truth that every man is a liar, and "every man" includes you Zaac.

Strange that you understand the meaning of "every man" but you can't quite grasp the concept of "ALL". :laugh:

Now if you can tell me whether a child begins to sin at the moment of conception, after one day, one week, one month, whenever, then perhaps you will have something worth saying. Otherwise, squat, contemplate your navel, and go Ummmm, Ummmm, Ummmm!

And I'll repeat it for ya again. I don't have to understand the HOW or the WHEN. God says it. That settles it for me. ALL means ALL. :thumbs:

So everyone can just assume that YOU believe that because you haven't seen it or because you don't understand the why, then God must be a liar.

 

[OldRegular]

And that makes you just as unbelieving as the atheist down the street claiming that God ain't real because nobody can prove to them that He's there.

Are you questioning my salvation?

then God must be a liar.

Is God lying when He said:

Proverbs 6:16-19
16 These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
18 An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,
19 A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.

Now what can God mean when He says innocent blood?

 

[Zaac]

Are you questioning my salvation?

I questioned your lack of belief in the truth of God's word. Yo having a hard time reading today?

Is God lying when He said:

Proverbs 6:16-19
16 These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
18 An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,
19 A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.

Now what can God mean when He says innocent blood?

You tell me. You seem to be equating innocent and sinless. Does God?

 

[OldRegular]

I questioned your lack of belief in the truth of God's word. Yo having a hard time reading today?

You are really questioning my Salvation but given the source???

You tell me. You seem to be equating innocent and sinless. Does God?

Just answer the question. Furthermore, I am not equating anything. I ask a simple question! One who has been to seminary should be able to do that!

Is God lying when He said:

Proverbs 6:16-19
16 These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
18 An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,
19 A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.

Now what can God mean when He says innocent blood?

 

[Zaac]

You are really questioning my Salvation but given the source???

You sound like you really want me to question your salvation. Write down a couple of good questions for me and I'll make sure I ask your salvation. I'll even takes notes so that you know how your salvation responded.



Just answer the question. Furthermore, I am not equating anything. I ask a simple question! One who has been to seminary should be able to do that![/QUOTE]

I'll answer your question as soon as you've answered mine. You said I said initially {post #26} that all are born with the sin nature and will in time sin

God says for ALL have sinned. So who's the liar, you or God?

 

[OldRegular]

You sound like you really want me to question your salvation. Write down a couple of good questions for me and I'll make sure I ask your salvation. I'll even takes notes so that you know how your salvation responded.



Just answer the question. Furthermore, I am not equating anything. I ask a simple question! One who has been to seminary should be able to do that!

God says for ALL have sinned. So who's the liar, you or God?[/QUOTE]

I would say you are; so now get off by yourself, squat, contemplate your navel, and Uummmm, Uummmm, Uummmm!

 

[matt wade]

I would say you are; so now get off by yourself, squat, contemplate your navel, and Uummmm, Uummmm, Uummmm!

You are letting emotion interpret Scripture.