Prolife myth

[padredurand]

There are scores of people who have adopted unwanted children. Yet he has labeled them slaughterers of the unborn. Did you speak to that or his his other pejoratives for anyone who doesn't support his party or their views?

Indeed there are scores who have adopted unwanted children. In spite of your opinion that nobody cares about the born many are adopted and loved as if they were natural born children. I've never read where OR has called adoptive parents slaughterers of the unborn. I believe he reserves that title for those that actually slaughter them or those that actively support those that do.

So until you do, you can save your intercessory rescue.

Rescue? From you? :laugh: Stop.

If they aren't part of the ALL, then both you and he need to just be quiet about slaughtering or aborting or whatever you want to call it.

Do you think before you type or does this stuff just flow from your fingertips without cognition? Being snide does not make a strong argument. Neither does talking out of both side of your mouth.

You insist pro-life people don't care about the unwanted after they are born. OR adopted TWO of them. I have a 5 year-old that was not born to us standing at my elbow wanting to listen to The Best of Chicago instead of me replying to you. He is obviously wiser then us both. You were immediately dismissive of adoptive parents and lied about OR calling them slaughterers.

Now you have told me to shut up because I don't believe an unborn child can willfully and actively sin. They cannot willfully and actively breathe outside the womb how could they possibly willfully and actively sin? To clarify my statement I believe this to be a separate issue from a sin nature.

Why such a low view of human life inside the womb?

Psalms 139:13-16 NAS77

13 For Thou didst form my inward parts; Thou didst weave me in my mother's womb.
14 I will give thanks to Thee, for I am fearfully and wonderfully made; Wonderful are Thy works, And my soul knows it very well.
15 My frame was not hidden from Thee, When I was made in secret, And skillfully wrought in the depths of the earth.
16 Thine eyes have seen my unformed substance; And in Thy book they were all written, The days that were ordained for me, When as yet there was not one of them.​

I'm done here but not because you have won the day with your great persuasive skills. I have to weigh the time I will spend arguing with you against the time spent with this child that you insist I hate. In the grand scheme of things, there is much more to be gained listening to 25 or 6 to 4 over and over with the child you think I despise than there is answering your folly.

 

[OldRegular]

The man adopted TWO unwanted children. Be rational, Zaac. You and others have co-opted the term pro-life and twisted it into a convoluted babbling of nonsense. OR has been accused of not caring for these unwanted after their birth. HE ADOPTED TWF THEM. What is wrong with you, man?

OR didn't take your question on directly so I will. Do I include the unborn in the ALL of "... for all have sinned..."? I do not for one simple reason: the are unborn. With the exception of some amazing medical intervention these children cannot survive outside of their mother's womb. They are incapable of anything beyond fetal development in the once-protective environment of the mother's womb.

Thanks padre, I really appreciate the gracious remarks.

I did not answer Zaac's question about "all" directly because I knew I would get the same response you did. I do agree with your response and I presented Scripture where God indicates the unborn child does neither good or evil. I would also add that it is truly remarkable what the Neonatal ICU's are able to do for premature children now.

I confess that I am not always rational when it comes to abortion. When I consider what some in the medical profession do to an unborn child I am either reduced to the point of tears or become angry, usually angry. Many in the medical profession will work so hard to save lives and others will readily destroy them.

Generally when I respond on forums as this one it is when I am angry. As far as I am concerned this slaughter of the unborn child should never be a point of contention between followers of Jesus Christ. But sadly it is!

*******************************************
Just read the above post. Wonderfully said padre! God gifts some folks with the gift of words more so than others! And would that all take the passage of Scripture you presented to heart!

 

[Bro. Curtis]

This "pro-life for the living" is the stupidest hill anyone ever picked to die on. The most ignorant self-congratulatory false witness that's ever been bared against anyone.

 

[Zaac]

Indeed there are scores who have adopted unwanted children. In spite of your opinion that nobody cares about the born many are adopted and loved as if they were natural born children.

Yep, by those baby slaughterers yall speak so fondly of.

I've never read where OR has called adoptive parents slaughterers of the unborn. I believe he reserves that title for those that actually slaughter them or those that actively support those that do.

Then I suppose you don't imagine there are some adoptive parents in that party of death he says I support?

Rescue? From you? :laugh: Stop.

You're the one swooping in to his defense. Otherwise let him speak for himself.

Do you think before you type or does this stuff just flow from your fingertips without cognition? Being snide does not make a strong argument. Neither does talking out of both side of your mouth.

You insist pro-life people don't care about the unwanted after they are born. OR adopted TWO of them. I have a 5 year-old that was not born to us standing at my elbow wanting to listen to The Best of Chicago instead of me replying to you. He is obviously wiser then us both. You were immediately dismissive of adoptive parents and lied about OR calling them slaughterers.

Now you have told me to shut up because I don't believe an unborn child can willfully and actively sin. They cannot willfully and actively breathe outside the womb how could they possibly willfully and actively sin? To clarify my statement I believe this to be a separate issue from a sin nature.

Why such a low view of human life inside the womb?

Psalms 139:13-16 NAS77

13 For Thou didst form my inward parts; Thou didst weave me in my mother's womb.
14 I will give thanks to Thee, for I am fearfully and wonderfully made; Wonderful are Thy works, And my soul knows it very well.
15 My frame was not hidden from Thee, When I was made in secret, And skillfully wrought in the depths of the earth.
16 Thine eyes have seen my unformed substance; And in Thy book they were all written, The days that were ordained for me, When as yet there was not one of them.​

I'm done here but not because you have won the day with your great persuasive skills. I have to weigh the time I will spend arguing with you against the time spent with this child that you insist I hate. In the grand scheme of things, there is much more to be gained listening to 25 or 6 to 4 over and over with the child you think I despise than there is answering your folly.

Not worth my time. You have an obvious comprehension problem.:wavey:

 

[Bro. Curtis]

So by your post you admit that you know you are spreading lies when you adopt Crabtownboy's "pro-life for the living" baloney.

 

[padredurand]

Not worth my time. You have an obvious comprehension problem.:wavey:

What is not worth your time, Zaac? Is it the slaughter of 4000 children every day? Does it bother you that there are still folks that care about them? Or is it not worth your time because you've run past your talking points and have nothing left to say?

The only comprehension problem I have is reading your replies that are barely more than half-truth and hyperbole. Show me one place where someone has called an adoptive parent a slaughterer. You've said OR has said it repeatedly so one should not be hard to find.

You said OR was afraid to answer your question about ALL. He replied and you went babbling about how he wouldn't or couldn't and claimed your pseudo-victory.

Originally Posted by OldRegular
God says the unborn do neither good or evil:

Romans 9:11. (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth)

I, for one, agree with OR. You told me to shut up because apparently in your world only people who agree with you have opinions. You didn't have a rational argument. You just scolded me to be quiet. If I was wearing boots I'd probably be shivering in them.

I'm going to work, now, to support that little boy I hate and the slaughtering woman I married. Take your time to think of something glib so you can feel you've slayed another dragon in your petty universe.

 

[targus]

Yep, by those baby slaughterers yall speak so fondly of.

Here Zaac is saying that dem/libs adopt more children because unlike repubs/conservatives they are pro-life after birth.

Can anyone find any evidence of the validity of this notion?

I tried and came up empty.

I did find that adoption is somewhat linked to income with people above the poverty level adopting at rates much higher than people below the poverty level.

Based on that bit of information I would guess that Zaac most likely has it completely backwards.

 

[Zaac]

What is not worth your time, Zaac? Is it the slaughter of 4000 children every day?

Responding to you is not worth my time when you're obviously not comprehending what I was saying. So you can save the devil's manipulation of trying to make me look like an abortionists. I'm not phased by it.

Does it bother you that there are still folks that care about them? Or is it not worth your time because you've run past your talking points and have nothing left to say?

See there you go smelling yourself too. What's wrong with yall on this board? SO if you need for me to turn my attentions to your foolish babbling, then let me do just that.

I know that there are plenty of folks who care about the babies being killed everyday. But the ridiculously funky and nasty attitudes about helping the living doesn't get excused because you adopt a kid or two, which I do applaud.

SO you rest assured. When people are making hypocritical comments about killing the unborn, but every stupid word that they type is against extending a hand to those outside the womb, it'll be a cold day in hell that I'll cease to having some talking points for ya.:smilewinkgrin:

The only comprehension problem I have is reading your replies that are barely more than half-truth and hyperbole. Show me one place where someone has called an adoptive parent a slaughterer. You've said OR has said it repeatedly so one should not be hard to find.

The problem you have IS one of comprehension. That much is clear. And like I said, there are adoptive parents in that party of death that your friend has so lovingly deemed the Democrat Party. But like I said, you have a comprehension problem.

You said OR was afraid to answer your question about ALL. He replied and you went babbling about how he wouldn't or couldn't and claimed your pseudo-victory.

Show me , oh sagely one, where in this thread where I have asked the question about ALL repeatedly did I once say that OR was afraid to answer the question? Not only do you have a comprehension problem, you make stuff up too.

So again, save your intercessory swooping in to save the day. He can speak for himself.

I, for one, agree with OR. You told me to shut up because apparently in your world only people who agree with you have opinions. You didn't have a rational argument. You just scolded me to be quiet. If I was wearing boots I'd probably be shivering in them.

I see that you have developed a penchant for telling lies. If I had told you to SHUT UP, SHUT UP is what you would have read on the screen. So don't misrepresent what I said just because you got your britches all waddled up.

But because you OBVIOUSLY have a comprehension problem, let me say it for you again. If the unborn babies aren't part of the ALL who have sinned, you, OldRegular and anyone else who accuses anyone of slaughtering a BABY or a LIFE need to sit down and be quiet and stop contradicting yourselves because you look foolish.

I'm going to work, now, to support that little boy I hate and the slaughtering woman I married. Take your time to think of something glib so you can feel you've slayed another dragon in your petty universe.

[/QUOTE]

My petty universe must sit next to your glib, self-righteous, "I gotta save the day" universe. Ta ta.:wavey:

Back to the IGNORE file for you.

 

[Zaac]

Here Zaac is saying that dem/libs adopt more children because unlike repubs/conservatives they are pro-life after birth.

If that's what Zaac was saying, that's what Zaac would have written. So stop telling lies.

 

[Zaac]

It is beyond stupid to claim to be concerned about the life of the unborn and then turn around and not include them in the ALL that God says have sinned as though they aren't part of those who are alive and included in the ALL.

Why on earth would the Body of Christ give pro-abortionists more ammunition for why the unborn shouldn't be considered a life.

God has never said we had to have an understanding for His ways. But my goodness, folks need to get a clue. Our lack of understanding for how something happens doesn't mean it doesn't happen if God says it's so.

 

[JFish123]

Sin nature is different then sinning. Babies who die before age of accountability (God knows) will be saved.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

 

[OldRegular]

Here Zaac is saying that dem/libs adopt more children because unlike repubs/conservatives they are pro-life after birth.

Can anyone find any evidence of the validity of this notion?

I tried and came up empty.

I did find that adoption is somewhat linked to income with people above the poverty level adopting at rates much higher than people below the poverty level.

Based on that bit of information I would guess that Zaac most likely has it completely backwards.

Because of abortion there are very few babies born in this country who are available to be adopted. people have to go out of the country to adopt and that cost lots of money. My understanding is that Russia no longer allows Americans to adopt children from that country.

There is one lady in the town I live who has three lovely, and very happy, young oriental children, perhaps from the same family. They are like stair steps!

 

[OldRegular]

Sin nature is different then sinning. Babies who die before age of accountability (God knows) will be saved.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I agree with you. You might find the following by Albert Mohler, president of Southern Seminary, interesting!

https://search.yahoo.com/search;_yl...deaths&toggle=1&cop=mss&ei=UTF-8&fr=yfp-t-701

 

[Zaac]

Because of abortion there are very few babies born in this country who are available to be adopted. people have to go out of the country to adopt and that cost lots of money. My understanding is that Russia no longer allows Americans to adopt children from that country.

There is one lady in the town I live who has three lovely, and very happy, young oriental children, perhaps from the same family. They are like stair steps!

It's 2015. People in polite society don't refer to people as ORIENTAL. It's considered to be quite rude. Right up there with referring to people as COLOREDS.:thumbs:

Oriental is a reference used to describe THINGS not people.

 

[matt wade]

Because of abortion there are very few babies born in this country who are available to be adopted. people have to go out of the country to adopt and that cost lots of money. My understanding is that Russia no longer allows Americans to adopt children from that country.

There is one lady in the town I live who has three lovely, and very happy, young oriental children, perhaps from the same family. They are like stair steps!

Actually international adoption only accounts for ~13% of the adoptions in the US.

http://creatingafamily.org/adoption-category/children-adopted-year/

A very sad statistic however is that in 1973 adoptions happened at a rate of 9% of those born and now it's down to 1% of those born. I find it very likely the 8% are now accounted for by abortions.

http://www.pbs.org/pov/offandrunning/adoption_fact_sheet.php

 

[OldRegular]

Actually international adoption only accounts for ~13% of the adoptions in the US.

http://creatingafamily.org/adoption-category/children-adopted-year/

A very sad statistic however is that in 1973 adoptions happened at a rate of 9% of those born and now it's down to 1% of those born. I find it very likely the 8% are now accounted for by abortions.

http://www.pbs.org/pov/offandrunning/adoption_fact_sheet.php

I really did not know it was that few. I know some people who want to adopt but are unable to do so.