Proverbs 23:31

[saturneptune]

For all you drinkers of moderation, why go to all this trouble? Just hop on down to your local 7-11, make sure there are no Baptists in sight, and buy a case of Cold Duck or Ripple, yes the good wine, and drink away as you share the Gospel.

Oh, I think you will find wine much tastier than drinking olive oil.

 

[tinytim]

Some of this is better than reading fairy tales...

 

[DeeJay]

You all are making fun of the Holy Word of God.

God said they gathered them. You need to take it up with Him.

Deuteronomy, chapter 11

13: And it shall come to pass, if ye shall hearken diligently unto my commandments which I command you this day, to love

the LORD your God, and to serve him with all your heart and with all your soul,

14: That I will give you the rain of your land in his due season, the first rain and the latter rain, that thou mayest gather in

thy corn, and thy wine, and thine oil.

15: And I will send grass in thy fields for thy cattle, that thou mayest eat and be full.


Jere.40

10: As for me, behold, I will dwell at Mizpah to serve the Chaldeans, which will come unto us: but ye, gather ye wine, and

summer fruits, and oil, and put them in your vessels, and dwell in your cities that ye have taken.

Also, I am always eager to learn even though I am 67 years old I still learn everyday, keep the old mind busy and live a long life.
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No I was having a little fun with your unrealistic explanation of how olive oil is pressed. And how gather olive oil could mean they pressed the olives but gather wine has to mean fresh grapes.

 

[DeeJay]

For all you drinkers of moderation, why go to all this trouble? Just hop on down to your local 7-11, make sure there are no Baptists in sight, and buy a case of Cold Duck or Ripple, yes the good wine, and drink away as you share the Gospel.

I dont care who is in sight. And I realy dont care if you want to judge me or not. I have scripture on my side. You have nothing but man made tradition and your self righoutosness.

Oh, I think you will find wine much tastier than drinking olive oil.

Wine is tasty and you dont drink oil. BUT if you buy a quality olive oil and use in your cooking you will see a big difference.

 

[saturneptune]

I dont care who is in sight. And I realy dont care if you want to judge me or not. I have scripture on my side. You have nothing but man made tradition and your self righoutosness.

I'll drink to that. Cheers. Hiccup.

Oh, and by the way, Romans does have a 12th Chapter with a first verse.

 

[Brother Bob]

SO, you are saying that the word gathering means they took a bag and a oil press out to the field and crushed the olives under the tree making (gathering) oil.

Come on, are you not bothered by the acrobatics you are trying to preform to make your point fit.

We are talking about wine and I gave you a hand squeezed bag they squeezed out the wine and that is what God called it. These are not my words these are God's words and you are making fun of them.

 

[tinytim]

What do you know The Message Bible finally got something right, check this out:

Deuteronomy 11:14
(14) he'll take charge of sending the rain at the right time, both autumn and spring rains, so that you'll be able to harvest your grain, your grapes, your olives.

 

[Brother Bob]

Tim;
[That's the exact question I was wondering...

Of course, with gas prices so high, I wish I could gather crude oils from my fields!!/QUOTE]

Deuteronomy, chapter 11

13: And it shall come to pass, if ye shall hearken diligently unto my commandments which I command you this day, to love

the LORD your God, and to serve him with all your heart and with all your soul,

14: That I will give you the rain of your land in his due season, the first rain and the latter rain, that thou mayest gather in

thy corn, and thy wine, and thine oil.

So Tim is making fun of the Word of God also.

 

[DeeJay]

We are talking about wine and I gave you a hand squeezed bag they squeezed out the wine and that is what God called it. These are not my words these are God's words and you are making fun of them.

Just end the suspence and show us where you can hand squeeze olive oil. Post a link.

 

[Brother Bob]

This thread is about wine, lets stick to that and your making fun of the Lord. He said gather Oil also, so you need to ask Him about that too.

You surprise me Tim, making fun of God's word when you are supposed to be preaching it.

 

[tinytim]

Tim;
[That's the exact question I was wondering...

Of course, with gas prices so high, I wish I could gather crude oils from my fields!!/QUOTE]

Deuteronomy, chapter 11

13: And it shall come to pass, if ye shall hearken diligently unto my commandments which I command you this day, to love

the LORD your God, and to serve him with all your heart and with all your soul,

14: That I will give you the rain of your land in his due season, the first rain and the latter rain, that thou mayest gather in

thy corn, and thy wine, and thine oil.

So Tim is making fun of the Word of God also.

Nope, my version says, and I quote "
Deuteronomy 11:14
(14) he'll take charge of sending the rain at the right time, both autumn and spring rains, so that you'll be able to harvest your grain, your grapes, your olives."

Not making fun of the word of God, just reading it in context...


And actually, I was just trying to be funny, trying to add a little humor to this thread to lighten everyone's attitude....

Honestly, does anyone here want to name someone on here that is a bad Christian?
If I were sick, I would want anyone on this thread praying for me.... whether or not they had a glass of wine.

I think we are all brothers and sisters in Christ and we just get carried away sometimes...

A good laugh never hurt anyone.

 

[DeeJay]

This thread is about wine, lets stick to that and your making fun of the Lord. He said gather Oil also, so you need to ask Him about that too.

You surprise me Tim, making fun of God's word when you are supposed to be preaching it.

You are the one that introduced the false idea that you can hand squeeze olives to make oil. YOu did this to make the scripture you posted fit your doctrine. Now that you have been show what you said is false you want to forget you said it.

I think understanding if you can gather oil in the field is imperitive to my understanding of the scripture you posted and therefore imperitive to understand if you can gather wine in the field.

Crushing the olives with either stone mills or metal crushers produces a paste with easily extracted oil droplets within the resulting crushed substance. The older of the two methods is the use of stone crushers consisting of a stone base and upright millstones enclosed in a metal basin.

http://www.eat-online.net/english/education/olive_oil/how_is_produced.htm

Are you going to admit that you can not hand squeeze olives for oil. And therefore admit that your understanding of the scripture you posted as Your proof is wrong also.

 

[Brother Bob]

Deuteronomy, chapter 11

13: And it shall come to pass, if ye shall hearken diligently unto my commandments which I command you this day, to love

the LORD your God, and to serve him with all your heart and with all your soul,

14: That I will give you the rain of your land in his due season, the first rain and the latter rain, that thou mayest gather in

thy corn, and thy wine, and thine oil.

But God called the olives,= Oil and you are making a joke of it.

Deejay;
I admit you must squeeze the olives to get oil but that does not take away from the Scriptures and God called it "gather

the oil". Are you going to add to the Scriptures and take away from the Scriptures? Do you question God for they are

not my words but His.

But we were talking about wine not oil and the took a bag and squeezed the grapes and could of done it right in the

field. I still stand by that. I also stand by gather the oil for the Lord told me so.

 

[DeeJay]

Deuteronomy, chapter 11

13: And it shall come to pass, if ye shall hearken diligently unto my commandments which I command you this day, to love

the LORD your God, and to serve him with all your heart and with all your soul,

14: That I will give you the rain of your land in his due season, the first rain and the latter rain, that thou mayest gather in

thy corn, and thy wine, and thine oil.

But God called the olives,= Oil and you are making a joke of it.

So if olives can be called oil, because they will become oil in the future. Then grapes can be called wine because they will become wine in the future.

Deejay;
I admit you must squeeze the olives to get oil but that does not take away from the Scriptures and God called it "gather the oil". Are you going to add to the Scriptures and take away from the Scriptures? Do you question God for they are not my words but His.

Ok

I do not question Gods word, at all. I question peoples interpritation of it. I question myself therefore the need for study. I like to debate this thread and want to do it in a mature way. The scripture you posted does not prove the point you were useing it for.

 

[tinytim]

I just noticed the word in Hebrew for corn can also be translated as mill, or wheat.... sooooo

Did they grind the corn in the fields also before they brought it in?

 

[Brother Bob]

I just noticed the word in Hebrew for corn can also be translated as mill, or wheat.... sooooo

Did they grind the corn in the fields also before they brought it in?

When you pray tonight ask God why He said that and tomorrow come back and tell us so we will know too, ok Tim?

 

[Brother Bob]

Olives don't have to go to the furnace, they go directly to the press to get fresh olive oil. I understand juice will turn into wine after a while so I could go to the field squeeze the juice out and wait for a while and then have wine so no you don't have to go to the furnace with the grapes.

 

[DeeJay]

But we were talking about wine not oil and the took a bag and squeezed the grapes and could of done it right in the field. I still stand by that. I also stand by gather the oil for the Lord told me so.

If you stand by the bag squeezing you would be wrong in my opinion and the opinion of all the info I can find. Please show me where I can read about it.

I stand by gather and Helen already explained that it is speaking about the end product. The olives they gather will be oil and the grapes will be wine.

That scripture does not prove your point. If you want to return to wine lets move along

 

[DeeJay]

Olives don't have to go to the furnace, they go directly to the press to get fresh olive oil. I understand juice will turn into wine after a while so I could go to the field squeeze the juice out and wait for a while and then have wine so no you don't have to go to the furnace with the grapes.

Furnace? You have lost me. Neither olive oil or wine is made in a furnace.

 

[Brother Bob]

There were many different forms of wine presses. The most simple consisted mainly of a bag, in which the grapes were put and squeezed.

Here is where you can squeeze the grapes by hand but don't suppose you will have that either if you won't take the word of the Lord when He says you shall gather the wine and the oil from the fields.