Proverbs 23:31

[tinytim]

When you pray tonight ask God why He said that and tomorrow come back and tell us so we will know too, ok Tim?

I will humbly bow out of this discussion tonight, because, obviously I have done something to offend you.

You are the one that made the absurd assumption that they pressed oil in the fields and then brought it in....

Helen is right...

Have a wonderful night...

 

[Brother Bob]

you stand by the bag squeezing you would be wrong in my opinion and the opinion of all the info I can find. Please show me where I can read about it.

I stand by gather and Helen already explained that it is speaking about the end product. The olives they gather will be oil and the grapes will be wine.

That scripture does not prove your point. If you want to return to wine lets move along

You are saying it does not prove God's point.

Originally Posted by Brother Bob
Deuteronomy, chapter 11

13: And it shall come to pass, if ye shall hearken diligently unto my commandments which I command you this day, to love

the LORD your God, and to serve him with all your heart and with all your soul,

14: That I will give you the rain of your land in his due season, the first rain and the latter rain, that thou mayest gather in

thy corn, and thy wine, and thine oil.

 

[Diggin in da Word]

You don't "gather oil". It takes time to press and refine it. You gather the olives.

In the same way you 'gather oil', you 'gather wine'. It takes time to press and refine the grape juice, which becomes wine quite naturally.

You cannot ignore the time element in one part of that verse and claim it in the next!

Nor can one ignore ancient pictures on stone and pottery that show juice being squeezed directly into a cup. And nor can one ignore the fact that the butler explained the dream that he had of squeezing grapes into the Pharaoah's cup for him to drink immediately.

 

[Brother Bob]

I will humbly bow out of this discussion tonight, because, obviously I have done something to offend you.

You are the one that made the absurd assumption that they pressed oil in the fields and then brought it in....

Helen is right...

Have a wonderful night...

God said it, take it up with Him if you think its absurb.

Deuteronomy, chapter 11

13: And it shall come to pass, if ye shall hearken diligently unto my commandments which I command you this day, to love

the LORD your God, and to serve him with all your heart and with all your soul,

14: That I will give you the rain of your land in his due season, the first rain and the latter rain, that thou mayest gather in

thy corn, and thy wine, and thine oil.

Oh, by the way, this is where you can read that they made the wine by sqeezing in bags.

http://showcase.netins.net/web/ankh/wine.html

There were many different forms of wine presses. The most simple consisted mainly of a bag, in which the grapes were put and squeezed. This was done by the means of two poles that turned in opposite directions, a vat was then placed beneath it to collect the juices. There were also other types of wine presses. One example of a larger type of wine press was the foot press, such as one that had been found in Lower Egypt. Some of wine presses that have been discovered were highly ornamented and consisted of at least two distinct and separate parts. This was the lower portion or vat and the trough. This is where the workers, usually men with bare feet would crush and stomp the fruit. They would support themselves in this part of the press by means of ropes suspended from the roof. From their great height, some of these may have had an intermediate reservoir which would have probably received the juice on its way to a pipe that was connected to a strainer or column. This devisement is similar to that which was used by the Romans. It is also possible that footpress may also have been used as a first process in the making of the wine and then re-pressed via the twisted bag pressing as has been illustrated in various tomb paintings.

Tinytim;
I just noticed the word in Hebrew for corn can also be translated as mill, or wheat.... sooooo

Did they grind the corn in the fields also before they brought it in?

Corn=

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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]From an unused root (meaning to be tender); green, i.e. A young ear of grain; hence, the name of the month Abib or Nisan

Abib, ear, green ears of corn (not maize). [/FONT]

 

[Diggin in da Word]

Just end the suspence and show us where you can hand squeeze olive oil. Post a link.

[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif][FONT=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif] An infusion of hand pressed, anti-oxidant rich, olive and grapeseed oils, soothing Chamomile Flowers, Algae, Sea Kelp and Aloe Vera.
Olive and grapeseed oils, chamomile flowers, algae, sea kelp and aloe vera in deionized water, safflower oil, coconut oil, glyceryl stearate, dimethicone, shea butter, polysorbate 60, fragrance, orange wax, cetyl ricinoleate, stearic acid stearyl alcohol, sweet almond oil, vitamin E, retinyl palmitate, vitamin C, phenoxyethanol, butylparaben, ethylparaben, propylparaben, methylparaben, carbomer, triethanolomine, beeswax, sodium PCA, sorbital.


[/FONT][/FONT]http://www.beautyhabit.com/product1098.html

hand pressed olive and grapeseed oils.... imagine that.

 

[Diggin in da Word]

Walk along the aisles of almost any grocery store in America and you'll be overwhelmed by the shelves of olive oil: bottles from France, Greece, Italy, and Spain; cold-pressed oil;

hand-pressed oil

. How do you know which oil is best? Which one should you choose for salads? For sauteing? For dipping?

http://www.powells.com/cgi-bin/biblio?inkey=2-074321403x-4

 

[Diggin in da Word]

There are countless sites that tell about hand-pressed olive oils, so, Brother Bob is not wrong.

 

[Brother Bob]

:applause: :laugh:

The best part it proves that God was not wrong in His word to us. I for one don't want to take away or add.

Thanks Digging in da Word.

 

[DeeJay]

Nor can one ignore ancient pictures on stone and pottery that show juice being squeezed directly into a cup. And nor can one ignore the fact that the butler explained the dream that he had of squeezing grapes into the Pharaoah's cup for him to drink immediately.

Nobody is arguing that grapes can not be squeezed in a bag. The argument is that olives can not.

 

[Brother Bob]

Diggin is talking about olives, thank you.

And Tinytim was wrong about Corn being something else in Greek also.

Corn=

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=+1]'abiyb (aw-beeb')[/SIZE][/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=+1]25[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=+1]
[/SIZE][/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]From an unused root (meaning to be tender); green, i.e. A young ear of grain; hence, the name of the month Abib or Nisan

[/FONT]Abib, ear, green ears of corn (not maize).

 

[DeeJay]

[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif][FONT=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif] An infusion of hand pressed, anti-oxidant rich, olive and grapeseed oils, soothing Chamomile Flowers, Algae, Sea Kelp and Aloe Vera.
Olive and grapeseed oils, chamomile flowers, algae, sea kelp and aloe vera in deionized water, safflower oil, coconut oil, glyceryl stearate, dimethicone, shea butter, polysorbate 60, fragrance, orange wax, cetyl ricinoleate, stearic acid stearyl alcohol, sweet almond oil, vitamin E, retinyl palmitate, vitamin C, phenoxyethanol, butylparaben, ethylparaben, propylparaben, methylparaben, carbomer, triethanolomine, beeswax, sodium PCA, sorbital.


[/FONT][/FONT]http://www.beautyhabit.com/product1098.html

hand pressed olive and grapeseed oils.... imagine that.

There are two ways to squeeze olives. By a hand PRESS and by a machene.

Both methouds need a press. The argument is if you can actually take olives in a bag and press oil out of them with your hands. the answer is no.

The product you post is made by puting olives in a press and turning a screw devise to put pressure on olives. You can not do this without equipment.

 

[Diggin in da Word]

They placed the olives inside a cheesecloth sack, then put the sack into a special olive press

[FONT=arial,helvetica], which worked like an automobile jack. [/FONT]

As six-year-old Isaac Schultz, of Exeter, struggled to crank the lever back and forth, Krinsky offered to give him a hand.

[FONT=arial,helvetica]“We want to get this oil out before the eight days are up,” he said jokingly. [/FONT]
[FONT=arial,helvetica]Another volunteer poured the olive extract from a special measuring cup into smaller vials, and Krinsky used a centrifuge to separate the oil from the heavier olive juice. The children then rolled cotton between their hands to form wicks, and [/FONT]

Krinsky lighted three flames, fueled from the hand-pressed olive oil.

http://www.seacoastonline.com/2002news/dover/d11_29hol_a.htm



And so, once again, DeeJay is proven wrong.

 

[Diggin in da Word]

Since the Bible says they gathered oil from the fields, they obviously had something they could work with their hands there in the fields that would squeeze the oils.

 

[Brother Bob]

How absurb they are. lol

They took 2 poles and a bag to squeeze the wine.

 

[DeeJay]

There are countless sites that tell about hand-pressed olive oils, so, Brother Bob is not wrong.

Brother bob is wrong you have changed the definition. All of the products and sights you have posted speak of olives pressed by hand in a olive oil press. You can not take olives and squeeze them in your hands and make oil.

Cold pressed referres to the first oil out of the press without the help of chemicals that are often used to help extract the oil. It still takes a press to get oil.

 

[DeeJay]

[FONT=arial,helvetica], which worked like an automobile jack. [/FONT]
[FONT=arial,helvetica]“We want to get this oil out before the eight days are up,” he said jokingly. [/FONT]
[FONT=arial,helvetica]Another volunteer poured the olive extract from a special measuring cup into smaller vials, and Krinsky used a centrifuge to separate the oil from the heavier olive juice. The children then rolled cotton between their hands to form wicks, and [/FONT]

http://www.seacoastonline.com/2002news/dover/d11_29hol_a.htm



And so, once again, DeeJay is proven wrong.

Nope that is exactly what I have been saying. You need a press.

then put the sack into a special olive press [FONT=arial,helvetica], which worked like an automobile [/FONT][FONT=arial,helvetica]jack. [/FONT]

This is not gathering olives it is pressing them.

 

[DeeJay]

Since the Bible says they gathered oil from the fields, they obviously had something they could work with their hands there in the fields that would squeeze the oils.

OR you are wrong in your intrupritation.

But your pride will not let you admit that no matter how twisted your argument gets.

 

[DeeJay]

How absurb they are. lol

They took 2 poles and a bag to squeeze the wine.

THat would not work and you refuse to show a link to anything usefull.

An advertisement for hand cream is not helpfull.

 

[DeeJay]

Since the Bible says they gathered oil from the fields, they obviously had something they could work with their hands there in the fields that would squeeze the oils.

Useing the same logic;

The Bible says they gathered wine from the fields, they obviously had something they could ferment grapes on the spot in the field.

 

[Brother Bob]

The hand press was like the hand press of grapes 2 poles and a bag. Being that the Most High God said they gathered the oil in the field seems they must of had a hand press that they took with them.