Racism and sins of the past

[JonC]

Racism is worldwide, an inherent aspect of the human condition, and profiling is a legitimate law enforcement tool that can be abused.

Just how poor, compared to counterparts in Africa, are these blacks who have not benefited from the past wrongs in America?

Well, slavery still exists in Africa (although not to the scale it once did). Also, past wartime slavery in Africa was an alternative to genocide.

That said, we can't compare wrongs done here (slavery is wrong) with wrongs done there. God uses things ment for evil for His purposes, making all things work for the good.

Whitfield was right that through slavery Christianity was introduced to a people. He was wrong that this was a reason to approve of slavery.

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

Well, slavery still exists in Africa (although not to the scale it once did). Also, past wartime slavery in Africa was an alternative to genocide.

That said, we can't compare wrongs done here (slavery is wrong) with wrongs done there. God uses things ment for evil for His purposes, making all things work for the good.

Whitfield was right that through slavery Christianity was introduced to a people. He was wrong that this was a reason to approve of slavery.

Whitefield certainly failed on that score, undoing what had been a great achievement in Georgia. His attitude should be considered fundamentally racist, and lazy on several levels.

But talking of reparations, or even in general, it is imperative we compare beginnings with destiny. We must explore and expose the entire story. Otherwise, we are merely lying to ourselves and will remain at an impasse.

 

[Reformed1689]

This is the largest issue. At the same time the past has created a caustic culture and ideology of victimhood. Just saying "stop your whining" is not enough.

Excactly. The Democratic Party must be destroyed politically for this to ever change.

 

[evenifigoalone]

I'm talking specifically about housing laws that specifically barred black people from living in "good neighborhoods", like actually targetted them directly, and effectively kept them from the good jobs.

Here's a video that goes into this:

There's a part 2 as well, but I haven't watched it yet due to length

 

[JonC]

Excactly. The Democratic Party must be destroyed politically for this to ever change.

Wow. I know a guy who looks just like you. Welcome to the board, Reformed1689.

I do not believe it will ever change. The Democrat Party "seeks" social justice but derives it's power from never reaching that end just like the Republican Party "seeks" national morality while deriving it's power from national immorality.

If minorities were ever to break the chains of the DNC then the DNC would become irrelevant (they would loose too much power) and would have to reinvent itself in order to maintain power (like it had to do when slavery was abolished and later with the Civil Right's Act). Same goes for the GOP - if abortion was ever abolished then the GOP would loose too much power and have to reinvent itself. When the focus shifts from social justice and morality we end up with topics that have the majority still in the middle (economic philosophies, immigration policies, etc.).

The DNC depends on social injustice just as the GOP depends on keeping abortion legal. Both have to constantly give it the "old college try", but both also depend on not accomplishing their goals.

It's politics.

 

[JonC]

Whitefield certainly failed on that score, undoing what had been a great achievement in Georgia. His attitude should be considered fundamentally racist, and lazy on several levels.

But talking of reparations, or even in general, it is imperative we compare beginnings with destiny. We must explore and expose the entire story. Otherwise, we are merely lying to ourselves and will remain at an impasse.

I think that we also need to keep in mind that ideologies and worldviews have changed. People in the middle of a narrative never fully appreciate the narrative in which they live.

Abortion is a horrible evil. But being soaked in the blood of our children I do not think that we can truly recognize the magnitude of the evil. The same goes for slavery. George Washington owned slaves. He was a man of faith and intelligence. But when a slave escaped he initiation because he thought she may have been kidnapped. He could not understand why she would desire to leave.

We cannot judge the past. We can learn from history and identify evils, accomplishments, and failures. Hopefully we can learn form the past, but we cannot pass judgment over it. They say hindsight is 20/20, but it is not really because living in the present is also to live in a unique narrative.

 

[church mouse guy]

Is the SBC stained with racism?

 

[robustheologian]

Whew...thank God we have a new administration that doesn't hold the insensitive views of the "right".

 

[robustheologian]

Visit the Furniture Making towns of North Carolina and see all of the impoverished predominantly white communities that never recovered. Visit the Italian American North Ward of Newark and see the areas blighted by the black rioters of the 1960’s that never recovered. I can show you the still vacant lot that was once my uncle’s Gas Station that was never rebuilt after the riots.

It is ignorant to think that the issue is strictly racial and only impacts blacks. That is just not true. (Ask Barack Obama or Kamala Harris).

Red herring

 

[Reformed1689]

Whew...thank God we have a new administration that doesn't hold the insensitive views of the "right".

The insensitive views of the right? And what would those be?

 

[robustheologian]

The insensitive views of the right? And what would those be?

What would those insensitive views be?
1. That the people who benefit from affirmative action are semi-literate former crack babies with an untreated reading disorder.
2. Or that the only systemic racism in America is blacks being racist against whites.
3. Black voters are stupid.
4. Claims and cries about racism today aren't genuine.

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

I think that we also need to keep in mind that ideologies and worldviews have changed. People in the middle of a narrative never fully appreciate the narrative in which they live.

Abortion is a horrible evil. But being soaked in the blood of our children I do not think that we can truly recognize the magnitude of the evil. The same goes for slavery. George Washington owned slaves. He was a man of faith and intelligence. But when a slave escaped he initiation because he thought she may have been kidnapped. He could not understand why she would desire to leave.

We cannot judge the past. We can learn from history and identify evils, accomplishments, and failures. Hopefully we can learn form the past, but we cannot pass judgment over it. They say hindsight is 20/20, but it is not really because living in the present is also to live in a unique narrative.

I don't think we're disagreeing but rather talking about something entirely different, at least at certain points.

Reparations are all about judging the past. We can take your tack and unilaterally say end of discussion, which leads to the bootstrap approach Or we can talk about the past in relation to the present. What we cannot do is refuse to talk about the past yet pretend to do so, or unilaterally demand we ignore it, in talking about the present. That leads to an automatic end of discussion. Again, back to the bootstrap approach.

Quite frankly, the bootstrap approach is what a great many blacks have maintained, or at least its façade. Their HBCU would be an example. They want your money, just not your influence. We see it also in their demands for additional separate graduation ceremonies.

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

What would those insensitive views be?
1. That the people who benefit from affirmative action are semi-literate former crack babies with an untreated reading disorder.
2. Or that the only systemic racism in America is blacks being racist against whites.
3. Black voters are stupid.
4. Claims and cries about racism today aren't genuine.

That is so clueless it's laughable. The Dems demonstrate those attitudes far more than the right. It's as if someone entirely insensitive to racism wrote that. Are you sure you're not just another clueless white being duped by the Dem Progressive Left?

 

[robustheologian]

That is so clueless it's laughable. The Dems demonstrate those attitudes far more than the right. It's as if someone entirely insensitive to racism wrote that.

I'm glad you said that...here's the entirely insensitive people you're referring to:

How does “affirmative action” really help a semi-literate former crack baby with an untreated reading disorder get into college to become a nurse and get a good job in someplace where they are hiring?

I don't believe there is systemic racism in America, unless you refer to blacks being racist against whites

black voters are too stupid to see it, they deserve it.

The cries about racism today are not genuine.

And these aren't Dems. I'm glad you agree with my point that someone entirely insensitive to racism would write such.

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

I'm glad you said that...here's the entirely insensitive people you're referring to:

And these aren't Dems. I'm glad you agree with my point that someone entirely insensitive to racism would write such.

Using out of context statements, which at least some of those are, is a hallmark of the Dem Progressive Left. But missing the point is all too typical. Those statements don't in any way exonerate the blatant racism of the Dem Progressive Left, who are expert at rhetoric, euphemism, and false accusation to hide their true nature. The Dem Progressive Left are quintessential hypocrites.

 

[robustheologian]

Using out of context statements, which at least some of those are, is a hallmark of the Dem Progressive Left. But missing the point is all too typical. Those statements don't in any way exonerate the blatant racism of the Dem Progressive Left, who are expert at rhetoric, euphemism, and false accusation to hide their true nature. The Dem Progressive Left are quintessential hypocrites.

You all are ridiculous. You're proof that ignoring facts is the hallmark of the Republican party...which is why you all are getting kicked out the White House. You say no one would say that. I then cite the posts (which you can click to get the whole context) and then claim I'm missing the point and go straight into deflection. Pathetic.

 

[JonC]

Whew...thank God we have a new administration that doesn't hold the insensitive views of the "right".

Of course not. We have a new administration that holds the insensitive views of the "left" .

Sorry....I couldn't help it (I almost said couldn't "resist" ).

 

[robustheologian]

That is so clueless it's laughable. The Dems demonstrate those attitudes far more than the right. It's as if someone entirely insensitive to racism wrote that. Are you sure you're not just another clueless white being duped by the Dem Progressive Left?

Oh I see you had to edit your post after being called out.

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

Oh I see you had to edit your post after being called out.

No, but I love the lack of denial in your case, in this case. LOL.

 

[Reynolds]

I'm glad you said that...here's the entirely insensitive people you're referring to:





And these aren't Dems. I'm glad you agree with my point that someone entirely insensitive to racism would write such.

I am an American Indian. I don't have to be artificaly sensitive. Supposedly I am oppressed myself.