Rebel not.

[37818]

Not getting your point here.

What do we seem to agree on calling some religious leader fathers fathers.

What do you know we disagree on, not calling one's religious leaders by the title father?

 

[Blank]

The real disarray is in Bible alone Protestantism, where each man subjugates scripture to his opinion and comes away with his own conflicting doctrines.

There is no greater example of religious disarray in the history of the world.

You're very good at deflection. I'll ask again, "So why is the Catholic Church in disarray under Francis?"
'Protestantism' never claimed to be unified, Rome does...

1 Corinthians 11:18-19 KJV
For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it. [19] For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.

 

[Cathode]

You're very good at deflection. I'll ask again, "So why is the Catholic Church in disarray under Francis?"
'Protestantism' never claimed to be unified, Rome does...

1 Corinthians 11:18-19 KJV
For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it. [19] For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.

You are asking a “ when did you stop beating your wife “ type question, the underlying premise of the question is false.

What do you mean by “ disarray “ anyway.

Protestantism commonly claims to be unified in some invisible way as ‘ The Church ‘.

“For first of all, when ye come together in the church,”

Catholics over the millennia have gathered together in Church with differences among them, but these resolve one way or the other.

Bible alone Protestantism doesn’t even gather together in Church in the first place.
They break unity with one another completely, not even getting to the ‘ first of all, when ye come together in the Church’ stage.
They are so divided that they form their own human founded churches, each with its own conflicting doctrines interpreted from “ scripture alone “.

That is disarray.

This mess is not the Church mentioned in scripture.

Look to thine own house for the true ‘disarray ‘.

Protestantism institutionalised it’s divisions in permanency.

 

[Cathode]

What do we seem to agree on calling some religious leader fathers fathers.

What do you know we disagree on, not calling one's religious leaders by the title father?

“For even if you had ten thousand others to teach you about Christ, you have only one spiritual father. For I became your father in Christ Jesus when I preached the Good News to you.”

This is the sense that our spiritual leaders claim the biblical right to be called fathers, through the preaching of the Gospel.

 

[Cathode]

Again, you associate the “chair of Moses” with the office of the high priest. You are wrong. It was a seat of honor for visiting officials in a synagogue.

Your ignorance is amazing on this.

The High Priest sat in the Highest Moses Seat, there were lesser levitical moses seats. This stems from the time that Moses delegated the job of Judgement to other trustworthy men.
More trivial matters were heard by subordinates in Moses Seat.

The High Priest had the gift of divine guidance for all Israel.
He was head of the Jewish magisterium.

 

[Oseas3]

Jesus established The Chair of Peter to govern His Church.

I know that you are not going to listen to me, but maybe someone else will.

Two points: {I have several, but here is only two.}

1. Look at this verse where the Catholic church gets the false idea of a papacy: Matthew 16:18 - "And I tell you, you are Peter [Πέτρος - petros] and on this rock [πέτρᾳ - petra] I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

You have "Peter" and this "rock". Two DIFFERENT Greek words.

Peter = "petros" - regular size or normal "rock".
Rock = "petra" = BOULDER

Two different things. Peter was congratulated by Christ for listening the Father who explained who Jesus was, BUT it's NOT upon Peter, but upon that HUGE, HUGE concept taught by the Father would the church be built. NOT upon Peter.

The church is built upon the factual understanding that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the living God. Not Peter.

2. If the church was built upon Peter, and Peter was now "the Chair", "the Vicar", "the Bishop of Rome' and the ROCK -petra], then why oh why did Peter stupidly say FIVE VERSES LATER that Jesus would not have to die? Jesus doesn't call Peter Satan, but rebukes Peter and says "Get behind me, Satan....." Five verse earlier, Peter was listening to the Father. Now, Peter is listening to Satan.

It is not from now he is wrong as is written and showed above, the Devil ALWAYS WAS WRONG, since the beginning.

The satanic, demonic, spirit that posted above the message "Jesus established The Chair of Peter to govern His Church", even by the one who was and is inspired by the spirit of Devil, the current red dragon->Revelation 12:9 combined with Revelation 16:13-15, even he himself, the Devil, the accuser, is who preachs the DEMONIC LIE above since the beginning of the Church.

In fact the Antichrist's was born from the Church, FROM THE CHURCH OF ROME, founded by Paul Apostle, Apostle of the Gentiles, and firstly it was a powerful Church-Romans 1:7-8(57AD),
but with the Jewish false Christians which atended the Church of Rome, then the Church of Rome was transformed in the CRADLE OF ANTICHRIST, and they created the SATANIC Papacy to replace JESUS, a DEMONIC Antichrist's linked to the Roman Empire to kill the true believers, even the Apostles.

And the SAME SATANIC SPIRIT of 2000 years ago is even in this Baptist Site to spread his SATANIC messages, and accusing the believers of the divisions among Churches, not HIM HIMSELF.
VADE RETRO SATANA. Get thee behind us, Satan: go down to the abyss Satan, that is your place from now on, that you deceive the nations no more.

GO DOWN TO THE ABYSS SATAN, in the NAME OF THE LORD JESUS CHRIST; Your place, Satan, is in the bottomless pit from now on.

 

[Blank]

Catholics over the millennia have gathered together in Church with differences among them, but these resolve one way or the other.

Unless one’s name is Martin Luther, (though a Catholic), he was excommunicated, while others were burned at the stake…nice way to ‘resolve one way or the other’.

 

[Silverhair]

How many other Apostles does Scripture say have direct Revelation from God The Father? None, only Peter.
They were all guided by The Holy Spirit, but nowhere is any other Apostle guided directly by The Eternal Father.

This error is what happens when you do not study your bible but depend upon, in your case, the RCC to tell you what to believe. You make glaring errors.

Your words "nowhere is any other Apostle guided directly by The Eternal Father"

Three times in scripture the Holy Spirit points out your error.

The Transfiguration
"He {Jesus} took along Peter and John and James, and went up on the mountain to pray."
Mat_17:5 "This is My beloved Son, with whom I am well-pleased; listen to Him!"
Mar_9:7 "This is My beloved Son, listen to Him!"
Luk_9:35 "This is My Son, My Chosen One; listen to Him!"

 

[canadyjd]

Thank God the Jewish High priestly system was abolished by Jesus. Jesus is our great high priestly and the ONLY mediator between God and man. Protestants go directly to God for prayer, salvation, forgiveness, grace, mercy, love and peace.

Oh, wait, the RCC reinstated the high priestly system so they could control folks, pretending Jesus has relinquished His authority as our great high priest and given that authority to men that promptly rape, murder, mutilate and abuse any that “rebel” against their satanic doctrines.

I will always follow God, not satan.

Peace to you

 

[Mikoo]

The real disarray is in Bible alone Protestantism, where each man subjugates scripture to his opinion and comes away with his own conflicting doctrines.

There is no greater example of religious disarray in the history of the world.

Members of the rc denomination have all done the same. Unfortunately, their misunderstanding of God's Word led them to the false teachings/doctrines of the rc denomination.

 

[Cathode]

This error is what happens when you do not study your bible but depend upon, in your case, the RCC to tell you what to believe. You make glaring errors.

Your words "nowhere is any other Apostle guided directly by The Eternal Father"

Three times in scripture the Holy Spirit points out your error.

The Transfiguration
"He {Jesus} took along Peter and John and James, and went up on the mountain to pray."
Mat_17:5 "This is My beloved Son, with whom I am well-pleased; listen to Him!"
Mar_9:7 "This is My beloved Son, listen to Him!"
Luk_9:35 "This is My Son, My Chosen One; listen to Him!"

No. People heard the Fathers voice at the baptism of Jesus in the Jordan, it was not anything like the direct guidance like Peter got from the Father alone.

“And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.”

Just hearing the Fathers voice is not what I am talking about.

Jesus raised the important theological matter of faith regarding His identity and it was Peter alone who answered by direct guidance of God The Father.

“ It was not flesh and blood that revealed this to you, but my Father in Heaven. “

Like I said, nowhere is any other Apostle guided directly by The Eternal Father.

 

[Cathode]

Thank God the Jewish High priestly system was abolished by Jesus. Jesus is our great high priestly and the ONLY mediator between God and man. Protestants go directly to God for prayer, salvation, forgiveness, grace, mercy, love and peace.

Oh, wait, the RCC reinstated the high priestly system so they could control folks, pretending Jesus has relinquished His authority as our great high priest and given that authority to men that promptly rape, murder, mutilate and abuse any that “rebel” against their satanic doctrines.

I will always follow God, not satan.

Peace to you

Jesus didn’t abolish the priestly system, He fulfilled it.

 

[canadyjd]

Jesus didn’t abolish the priestly system, He fulfilled it.

By fulfilling it, He abolished it. Ephesians 1.

Your anti-Christ Pope cannot remove Jesus from His place as our Great High Priest. Your anti-Christ Pope does not speak for Jesus. Your anti-Christ Pope, Cardinals, Priests cannot forgive sins, grant grace.

Only Jesus has that authority. Your Pope and priests attempt to usurp the authority of God, just as their father Satan attempted to usurp the authority of God. That is why I refer to them as anti-Christ.

Peace to you

 

[Cathode]

Unless one’s name is Martin Luther, (though a Catholic), he was excommunicated, while others were burned at the stake…nice way to ‘resolve one way or the other’.

Better that one heretic should die, than millions be cast into hell. ( possibly )

You have to realise the culture of those times, societies were not pluralistic like today.
Heresy caused great upheaval, most secular authorities were terrified of any heresy breaking out.

 

[Cathode]

By fulfilling it, He abolished it. Ephesians 1.

Your anti-Christ Pope cannot remove Jesus from His place as our Great High Priest. Your anti-Christ Pope does not speak for Jesus. Your anti-Christ Pope, Cardinals, Priests cannot forgive sins, grant grace.

Only Jesus has that authority. Your Pope and priests attempt to usurp the authority of God, just as their father Satan attempted to usurp the authority of God. That is why I refer to them as anti-Christ.

Peace to you

Jesus gave His Authority to the Apostles and they gave this Authority to their successors to shepherd the church down the ages.

 

[JesusFan]

Better that one heretic should die, than millions be cast into hell. ( possibly )

You have to realise the culture of those times, societies were not pluralistic like today.
Heresy caused great upheaval, most secular authorities were terrified of any heresy breaking out.

Roman Catholic church biggest cult in the world, as Rome holds to another and false gospel

 

[Cathode]

Roman Catholic church biggest cult in the world, as Rome holds to another and false gospel

 

[37818]

“For even if you had ten thousand others to teach you about Christ, you have only one spiritual father. For I became your father in Christ Jesus when I preached the Good News to you.”

This is the sense that our spiritual leaders claim the biblical right to be called fathers, through the preaching of the Gospel.

As a group being addressed as fathers, but not to receive or give a spiritual teacher the title as Father.
Per Matthew 23.

 

[Blank]

Better that one heretic should die, than millions be cast into hell. ( possibly )

You have to realise the culture of those times, societies were not pluralistic like today.
Heresy caused great upheaval, most secular authorities were terrified of any heresy breaking out.

Where did Jesus or the apostles teach that we should kill the 'heretic'?
God's law goes beyond culture.

 

[Blank]

Better that one heretic should die, than millions be cast into hell. ( possibly )

You have to realise the culture of those times, societies were not pluralistic like today.
Heresy caused great upheaval, most secular authorities were terrified of any heresy breaking out.

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