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Where did Jesus or the apostles teach that we should kill the 'heretic'?
God's law goes beyond culture.
Silverhair
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Yes God spoke at the baptism of Christ but it sees you do not read very well so I will post again what I had said
The Transfiguration
"He {Jesus} took along Peter and John and James, and went up on the mountain to pray."
Mat_17:5 "This is My beloved Son, with whom I am well-pleased; listen to Him!"
Mar_9:7 "This is My beloved Son, listen to Him!"
Luk_9:35 "This is My Son, My Chosen One; listen to Him!"
That is a clear message from God to those three apostles but what did you @Cathode say "nowhere is any other Apostle guided directly by The Eternal Father."
If that is not clear direction by God then what is it?
The bible over and over shows the error of the RCC. The history of the RCC shows that it has more in common with the deceiver than it does with Christ.
I understand why you did not address what I had posted as you would have to admit that you were wrong.
But Peter alone was the one used by SATAN to tempt JESUS: ->Matthew 16:22-23: -> 22-Then Peter took JESUS, and began to rebuke Him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee. 23 But JESUS turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of GOD, but those that be of men.
Yeah, Peter was the one SATAN used to tempt JESUS, and since then Satan, the King of darkness, have used the name of Peter by his SATANIC IDOLATRY through the Roman Catholic Church, and SATAN through his followers since the first centuries has NAMED PETER as whether was the first SATANIC POPE. By the way, Peter only knew more deeply who JESUS really was after the crucifixion of the Lord.
Yes, the birthplace, or the cradle of Antichrist, was the own Church, the Cchurch of Rome, unfortunately, see how.
The Antichrist was born and rose up from the own Church-See how
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canadyjd
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These are same words used by the Jewish High Priest to justify condemning Jesus to death.
You are blind.
Peace to you
The injunction was against calling any man on this Earth, Father God, as the Roman Emperor was wanting worship.
There is only one Father God and He is in Heaven. Jesus probably was pointing to heaven as He said “ call no man Father that is on the earth“.
This is the context.
Perfectly fine to call Paul “ Father “ because he is being called Father through the preaching of the Gospel, not as Father God.
I know. But it also says that he did not speak these words of his own accord, but was prophesying as High Priest.
“Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell.”
Heretics are soul destroying monsters, to be greatly feared, they cause upheaval in this world and damnation I the next.
A heretics bite doesn’t just kill the body, it kills the soul.
To discern about what JESUS said, it is necessary, FIRST OF ALL, to have the Spirit of Christ.
The message above is a DEMONIC preaching, inspired not by the Spirit of Christ, course, but by the spirit of Devil. -> 1Timothy 4:1-2: Paul Apostle said:
1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
But the IDOLATERS, and all LIARS, and fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, shall have their part IN THE LAKE WHICH BURNETH WITH FIRE AND BRIMSTONE, which is the second death.
You know.The Devil's Knowledge is from a human perspective (Genesis 3:1, the MAN of sin, the tree of good and evil), it's A STUMBLING BLOCK, not from GOD's perspective, as JESUS said to Satan. Matthew 16:22-23. The Word is GOD.
You are clutching at straws here mate.
It was Peter alone that got direct guidance from the Father in Heaven when he was standing amid all the Apostles.
“ Blessed are you Simon bar Jona, for it was not flesh and blood that revealed this to you, but my Father in Heaven “.
It was entirely on Peters vision of the sheet that rolled down from Heaven, that the Gentiles were received into the Church.
Like I said, nowhere is any other Apostle guided directly by The Eternal Father.
Yes, this the reason by which Paul Apostle speaking of the APOSTATE Church of Rome, wrote:
18 For the wrath of GOD is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the Truth in unrighteousness;
19 Because that which may be known of GOD is manifest in them; for GOD hath shewed it unto them.
20 For the invisible things of Him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead; SO THAT THEY ARE WITHOUT EXCUSE:
21 Because that, when they knew GOD, they glorified Him not as GOD, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible GOD into an image made like to corruptible man (worshipping the mother of JESUS-MARY-, and apostles, and later THE DEFUNCTS OF DEMONIC POPES, and defuncts of DEMONIC followers of the Roman Catholic Church, like the demonic Madre Teresa, and Fatima, and other countless DEFUNCTS BEATIFIED BY DEMONIC POPES....
24 Wherefore GOD also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26 For this cause GOD gave them(here Paul Aposlte speaking of the followers of the Roman Catholic Church, among OTHERS)yeah, GOD gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did CHANGE the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. (HERE CAN BE INCLUDED THE PEDOPHILE PRIESTS, AND BISHOPS, AMONG OTHERS, followers of the ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH).
28 And even as they did not like to retain GOD in their knowledge, GOD gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
30 Backbiters, haters of GOD, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32 Who knowing the judgment of GOD, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
Silverhair
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Why do you add words to the text. D you think the Holy Spirit did not get it right?
Mat 23:9 "Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven.
Silverhair
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The Transfiguration
"He {Jesus} took along Peter and John and James, and went up on the mountain to pray."
Mat_17:5 "This is My beloved Son, with whom I am well-pleased; listen to Him!"
Mar_9:7 "This is My beloved Son, listen to Him!"
Luk_9:35 "This is My Son, My Chosen One; listen to Him!"
That is a clear message from God to those three apostles but what did you @Cathode say "nowhere is any other Apostle guided directly by The Eternal Father."
The one clutching at straws would be you @Cathode. You make a statement and when you are shown your error you deny what the bible clearly says.
Do you not think the words "listen to Him!" are direct guidance? If not what are they, a suggestion?
Your RCC house of cards is falling and you cannot even see it. Or rather you refuse to see it.
You seem to have overlooked Paul in your pronouncement. Or are you going to tell me that Paul did not write Romans and 1 Timothy & 2 Timothy
Rom_11:13 For I speak to you Gentiles; inasmuch as I am an apostle to the Gentiles, I magnify my ministry,
1Ti_2:7 for which I was appointed a preacher and an apostle; I am speaking the truth in Christ and not lying; a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and truth.
2Ti_1:11 to which I was appointed a preacher, an apostle, and a teacher of the Gentiles.
It seems every time you make a comment the bible proves you wrong. You need to stop trusting the RCC and actually trust what the Holy Spirit said.
13 When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am?
14 And they said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets.
15 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?
16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living GOD.
17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, SIMON BARJONA(his name would be still changed): for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. ~> John Apostle wrote: 11 He came unto His own, and His own received Him not. 12 But as many as received Him, to them gave he power to become the sons of GOD, even to them that believe on his name: 13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of GOD.
18 And JESUS say also unto SIMON BARJONA(changing his name from then on), That thou art Peter[Πέτρος - petros], and upon this rock(JESUS speaking of He Himself- [πέτρᾳ - petra] ) I, JESUS, will build my church; and the gates of hell (like the ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH AND OTHERS SIMILAR IDOLATER CHURCHES) shall not prevail against it. -> JESUS said to the Jews: Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up -> His body / His Church. By the way, the THIRD DAY just arrived.->Hebrews 1:1-3
19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. (This fulfilled when Peter was alive, peter DIED and are waiting his resurrection, his body will be ressurected in this seventh and last millennium, or seventh and last GOD's Day.)
20 Then charged JESUS his disciples(now Peter included, Simon Barjona exists no more) that they should tell no man that He was JESUS the Christ.
21 From that time forth began JESUS to shew unto His disciples, how that He must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day.
22 Then Peter (now Simon Barjona inexists) took JESUS, and began to rebuke Him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee.
23 But JESUS turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men. Later Peter deny JESUS three times. Now Peter, at last all Apostles, are waiting their resurrection, this will be happen in this curent millennium, with the establishment of the GLOBAL Kingdom of GOD-Revelation 11:15-18. Take a look.
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Desperate mate.
The three Apostles were witnesses to the Transfiguration and the Father speaking, like the time people heard the Father speak at the baptism in the Jordan.
But this is very different from the direct guidance Peter received from The Father.
It was Peter that first brought the Gentiles into the Church, before that Paul had nothing to do with the Gentiles.
It was entirely on Peters infallibly guided vision from Heaven that the Gentiles were included in the Church.
Until then no believer could even enter a Gentiles house, let alone eat with them.
“The apostles and the believers throughout Judea heard that the Gentiles also had received the word of God. 2 So when Peter went up to Jerusalem, the circumcised believers criticized him 3 and said, “You went into the house of uncircumcised men and ate with them.”
4 Starting from the beginning, Peter told them the whole story: 5 “I was in the city of Joppa praying, and in a trance I saw a vision. I saw something like a large sheet being let down from heaven by its four corners, and it came down to where I was. 6 I looked into it and saw four-footed animals of the earth, wild beasts, reptiles and birds. 7 Then I heard a voice telling me, ‘Get up, Peter. Kill and eat.’
8 “I replied, ‘Surely not, Lord! Nothing impure or unclean has ever entered my mouth.’
9 “The voice spoke from heaven a second time, ‘Do not call anything impure that God has made clean.’ 10 This happened three times, and then it was all pulled up to heaven again.
11 “Right then three men who had been sent to me from Caesarea stopped at the house where I was staying. 12 The Spirit told me to have no hesitation about going with them.These six brothers also went with me, and we entered the man’s house. 13 He told us how he had seen an angel appear in his house and say, ‘Send to Joppa for Simon who is called Peter. 14 He will bring you a message through which you and all your household will be saved.’
15 “As I began to speak, the Holy Spirit came on them as he had come on us at the beginning. 16 Then I remembered what the Lord had said: ‘John baptized with[a] water, but you will be baptized with[b] the Holy Spirit.’ 17 So if God gave them the same gift he gave us who believed in the Lord Jesus Christ, who was I to think that I could stand in God’s way?”
18 When they heard this, they had no further objections and praised God, saying, “So then, even to Gentiles God has granted repentance that leads to life.”
What the Devil says above has nothing to do with JESUS's Father. What matters is JESUS, not Peter. JESUS is heaven, Peter died and is in the sepulchre waiting his resurrection that will be make by JESUS in this current millennium.
“And do not call anyone on earth ‘father,’ for you have one Father, and he is in heaven.”
Jesus is referring to not giving Father God status to any man on earth. Which is what the Roman Emperor was desiring, worship as Father God.
If I was a literalist moron, I would take this injunction universally and not even call my own father ‘ Father ‘. Which is stupid.
The Holy Spirit gets it right in context.
What the Devil says above has nothing to do with the Word of GOD, and because his DEMONIC and APOSTATE CHURCH, the Roman Catholic Church, has nothing to do with JESUS, so he uses the name of Peter, as he used Peter himself when still was alive-Matthew 16:22-23.