Reconciliation

[MB]

It's interesting how you conveniently ignore verse 44 of John 6...

John 6:43-47
Jesus answered them, “Do not grumble among yourselves. No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day. It is written in the Prophets, ‘And they will all be taught by God.’ Everyone who has heard and learned from the Father comes to me— not that anyone has seen the Father except he who is from God; he has seen the Father. Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever believes has eternal life.

Even your verse (44) teaches a limited atonement and salvation. Verse 43 shows you why it's limited.

MB, you keep fighting against God and his word. Do you really think your life is better when you are driving the ship?

I didn't ignore verse 44.
Verse 43 does not support limited atonement.
I'm fighting for His Word because of your abuse of it.
MB

 

[canadyjd]

The person you refer to is a she

I have known since I was 5 years old that I am male. I have always been attracted to women. I know that God recognizes my marriage to my wife as valid, formed by the love He put into our hearts. My state recognizes my marriage as valid and so does my church.

Please don’t call me “she”. I am “he”. I am a man, no matter what you say.

peace to you

 

[AustinC]

I didn't create it, God did!.. He sent His Son to die for the sins of the whole world that who so ever believes shall be saved. Not just a select few.
Open your eyes Jn 3 destroys Calvinism.
MB

God created merit-based salvation apart from grace?

 

[AustinC]

I didn't ignore verse 44.
Verse 43 does not support limited atonement.
I'm fighting for His Word because of your abuse of it.
MB

LOL, you are fighting for you to be your own boss, not for God's word. I simply share the whole of scripture and you refute it. That's hardly you fighting for God's word.

 

[SavedByGrace]

I have known since I was 5 years old that I am male. I have always been attracted to women. I know that God recognizes my marriage to my wife as valid, formed by the love He put into our hearts. My state recognizes my marriage as valid and so does my church.

Please don’t call me “she”. I am “he”. I am a man, no matter what you say.

peace to you

SINCERE APOLOGIES! I have misread your name as Candy!

 

[MB]

LOL, you are fighting for you to be your own boss, not for God's word. I simply share the whole of scripture and you refute it. That's hardly you fighting for God's word.

You are so full of it . You accuse me of what you are guilty of in your own life. Wrong about sharing the whole of scripture. Calvinist don't use the whole of scripture. You mix scripture with the not so true philosophy of the invention of men.
You have been refuted and you are admitting it.
MB

 

[SavedByGrace]

You are so full of it . You accuse me of what you are guilty of in your own life. Wrong about sharing the whole of scripture. Calvinist don't use the whole of scripture. You mix scripture with the not so true philosophy of the invention of men.
You have been refuted and you are admitting it.
MB

Who? why don't you people learn to respond properly?

 

[MB]

God created merit-based salvation apart from grace?

Wrong again there is no merit base Salvation. All you can do is invent your deceiving things to say. No Substance in any thing you say.
MB

 

[AustinC]

You are so full of it . You accuse me of what you are guilty of in your own life. Wrong about sharing the whole of scripture. Calvinist don't use the whole of scripture. You mix scripture with the not so true philosophy of the invention of men.
You have been refuted and you are admitting it.
MB

Of course I share the whole of scripture. Most often I am including the entire passage after you have only given a Bible reference of one verse. Continually I have to expand your narrow view. Everyone can see this. Just go back through our dialogue and see the expansion I do to get you out of your myopic world.

 

[AustinC]

Wrong again there is no merit base Salvation. All you can do is invent your deceiving things to say. No Substance in any thing you say.
MB

Indeed, there is no merit based salvation, yet you constantly promote merit based salvation. Do you see your conundrum?

 

[canadyjd]

SINCERE APOLOGIES! I have misread your name as Candy!

LOL: You aren’t the first. No problem. Just having a little fun with you

peace to you

 

[MB]

Of course I share the whole of scripture. Most often I am including the entire passage after you have only given a Bible reference of one verse. Continually I have to expand your narrow view. Everyone can see this. Just go back through our dialogue and see the expansion I do to get you out of your myopic world.

Not true: All you do is post a verse then say something different the verse has nothing to do with. There are no 5 points in the doctrine of Christ. You sure are a sore looser.
MB

 

[AustinC]

Not true: All you do is post a verse then say something different the verse has nothing to do with. There are no 5 points in the doctrine of Christ. You sure are a sore looser.
MB

Others can read and either vouch for you or support me. On my end, I consider your words untrue.

 

[thomas15]

Not true: All you do is post a verse then say something different the verse has nothing to do with. There are no 5 points in the doctrine of Christ. You sure are a sore looser.
MB

You are exactly correct. There are many here, really nice people by the way, that have the cut and past thing down to a science, an art form. Instead of digging into the actual meaning of a passage or two of Scripture they toss up a jumbo list of quotes that usually don't teach what they say it teaches but has the effect of overwhelming those who disagree with them. This is basically a polite way of saying "shut up".

Reason: When a man has hours and hours and years and years of ministry or a couple 1000 posts on BB combined with a graduate degree or two and they are all in arguing for a doctrine that they say is biblical but is actually not entirely true they tend to resist any effort to change their minds. For the reformed covenant crowd, they declare that which they don't like to be allegory and label anyone that disagrees with them to be uninformed and uneducated. It is a tactic that works. After all, reformed covenant theology is the position of the highly educated class. Without employing copious amounts of allegory, reformed covenant theology dies on the vine.

Solution: Stop worshiping highly educated and respected theologians, smart and successful as they might be and just study the Bible. Consider what they have to say but don't hang on their every word because they are just like the rest of us, sinners saved by grace.

Disclaimer: My personal theology is not perfect, i admit that. There are some difficult passages to consider. Consider that when Jesus was speaking to Nicodemus he said to him "whoever believes in Him should not parish but have everlasting life". Jesus was speaking to one of the most educated and respected theologians of the day. This was a man that knew all about "election". Notice that Jesus didn't mention anything about election or ritual or baptism or communion or reformed covenant theology. No, Jesus simply said that "whoever believes in Him..." Simple enough.

 

[AustinC]

You are exactly correct. There are many here, really nice people by the way, that have the cut and past thing down to a science, an art form. Instead of digging into the actual meaning of a passage or two of Scripture they toss up a jumbo list of quotes that usually don't teach what they say it teaches but has the effect of overwhelming those who disagree with them. This is basically a polite way of saying "shut up".

Reason: When a man has hours and hours and years and years of ministry or a couple 1000 posts on BB combined with a graduate degree or two and they are all in arguing for a doctrine that they say is biblical but is actually not entirely true they tend to resist any effort to change their minds. For the reformed covenant crowd, they declare that which they don't like to be allegory and label anyone that disagrees with them to be uninformed and uneducated. It is a tactic that works. After all, reformed covenant theology is the position of the highly educated class. Without employing copious amounts of allegory, reformed covenant theology dies on the vine.

Solution: Stop worshiping highly educated and respected theologians, smart and successful as they might be and just study the Bible. Consider what they have to say but don't hang on their every word because they are just like the rest of us, sinners saved by grace.

Disclaimer: My personal theology is not perfect, i admit that. There are some difficult passages to consider. Consider that when Jesus was speaking to Nicodemus he said to him "whoever believes in Him should not parish but have everlasting life". Jesus was speaking to one of the most educated and respected theologians of the day. This was a man that knew all about "election". Notice that Jesus didn't mention anything about election or ritual or baptism or communion or reformed covenant theology. No, Jesus simply said that "whoever believes in Him..." Simple enough.

What is your theology and what scripture passages do you have to support it?

 

[canadyjd]

……After all, reformed covenant theology is the position of the highly educated class…...

Thank you

peace to you

 

[thomas15]

What is your theology and what scripture passages do you have to support it?

I'm a simple soul, a Bible Believing Baptist who believes in the fundamentals of the Christian faith 1 Corinthians 2:2.

If you are interested in knowing more about me no problem we can get together for tea and crumpets at your convenience.

 

[calledbyHisgrace]

so there will be those who Christ has died for, who will be in hell???

2 Peter 2:1
But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

 

[AustinC]

I'm a simple soul, a Bible Believing Baptist who believes in the fundamentals of the Christian faith 1 Corinthians 2:2.

If you are interested in knowing more about me no problem we can get together for tea and crumpets at your convenience.

Please consider what Paul is saying. Note that he is not saying that he only desires to know Jesus and his crucifixion. What he is saying is that among these babies at Corinth, he is only addressing Jesus and his crucifixion. There is much, much more that he would teach (read Romans), but in this church of spiritual infants he can only teach the very basics.

1 Corinthians 2:1-5 And I, when I came to you, brothers,did not come proclaiming to you the testimony of God with lofty speech or wisdom. For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ and him crucified. And I was with you in weakness and in fear and much trembling, and my speech and my message were not in plausible words of wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power, so that your faith might not rest in the wisdom of men but in the power of God.

While knowing Christ and His crucifixion is crucial to us, please note that Paul wishes he could feed them meat rather than milk. I encourage you to grow into meat.

 

[thomas15]

Please consider what Paul is saying. Note that he is not saying that he only desires to know Jesus and his crucifixion. What he is saying is that among these babies at Corinth, he is only addressing Jesus and his crucifixion. There is much, much more that he would teach (read Romans), but in this church of spiritual infants he can only teach the very basics.

1 Corinthians 2:1-5 And I, when I came to you, brothers,did not come proclaiming to you the testimony of God with lofty speech or wisdom. For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ and him crucified. And I was with you in weakness and in fear and much trembling, and my speech and my message were not in plausible words of wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power, so that your faith might not rest in the wisdom of men but in the power of God.

While know Christ and His crucifixion is crucial to us, please note that Paul wishes he could feed them meat rather than milk. I encourage you to grow into meat.

We can cover all of this while heating up the kettle.