You preach works salvation, which is anathema.
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Reformers' interpretations of the AntiChrist
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This is "works salvation"??
Acts 2:38
Then Peter said unto them, REPENT, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
Jesus saved forever and eternally all those the Father have given to Him!
Preaches the false Gospel of Rome!
Jesus PAID FOR the sins of the world.
We are forgiven of those sins we repent of.
Eternal Security is a man-made invention of the 16th century.
Jesus died for all of my sins, how about yours?
In my last post, I wrote:
"Jesus PAID FOR the sins of the world."
What part of that do you NOT understand?
Did Jesus pay and atoned for all of your sins ever to be done, or just pardoned you for all past due ones?
I already addressed this as well back in post #179, when I wrote:
"I fully believe that Christ paid for ALL sin - past, present and future. That's what Redemption is.
HOWEVER - we are not forgiven of future sin until we repent of it. That's where Salvation comes in."
Which part of this do you NOT understand??
You ignore the verse before. If you read it you see that God is already making people alive with Christ.
Only those whom God makes alive with Christ will repent. Rebels and spiritually dead people will never repent...ever. God must first make them alive. (See Ephesians 2)
Acts 2:37 Now when they heard this they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, “Brothers, what shall we do?”
So, by your statement, all must have their sins atoned for and are saved.
I'm pretty sure you are oblivious to the blatant conflicts in your theology, but it's obvious to me.
LOL, You inability to comprehend what I say makes it worthless for me to address your error.
In Acts 2:37, God has given the people the initial grace to believe.
If you recall - they asked "Brothers, what shall we DO (Acts 2:37)?
Peter's response to them is “REPENT and BE BAPTIZED, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit (Acts 2:38).
They weren't "saved" until they were BAPTIZED (John 3:5, 1 Pet. 2:38). This is the FIRST step.
The initial grace to believe is NOT salvation. It is simply seed - which could be falling on rocky ground. The proof is in the Baptism.
You're still not getting it, so I'll explain it further . . .
Jesus paid for the sins of every human being that ever lived or ever WILL live. However - NOBODY was saved at Calvary. We were REDEEMED (paid for). Our debt was paid - but NOT everybody accepts this gift.
Charles Manson, Adolf Hitler, Jeffrey Dahmer - ALL of their sins were paid for.
Whether they were forgiven is another story. Forgiveness requires repentance.
The greek emphasizes repent.
So Peter is saying "repent for forgiveness of sins" and be baptized.
Peter is NOT saying that baptism forgives sins. It is an unfortunate phrasing in the English language that leads to a false concept of baptism.
We will not agree on this because you insist on humans driving salvation while I insist on God driving salvation.
You pluck a verse out of context. I present the whole of scripture. There is nothing more to say. Go your way and try to please God in your self-righteousness. We will both stand before God. He will decide.
You are proving why the unsaved are not and cannot be forgiven. They are rebels who will not repent.
Only those whom God redeems will therefore repent. The rest may be remorseful and working to avoid punishment, but they won't be repentant.
So, I don't disagree that forgiveness requires repentance. However, I disagree that repentance comes before salvation.
God causes a person to be made alive.
God gives a person the gift of faith.
God shows a person his sins.
God moves a person to repentance.
God forgives a person.
See all the things that God does. God is the cause. Our actions are the effect of what God does.
God also seals us to redemption.
This means that God keeps us. His chosen people of the promise will never leave him because he will not leave them. They will never forsake him because he will not forsake them.
See how God does the work in us.
Stop trying to live as though God will abandon you at any moment and as if his sacrifice only paid for your past sins.
Brother, Jesus paid it all. All to him I owe. Sin had left its crimson stain. God washed it white as snow.
WRONG.
Peter is absolutely saying that Baptism brings about the forgiveness of sins.
YOUR problem is that you are a Scriptural cherry-picker and do not read Scripture in its proper context.
In 1 Pet. 3:21, Peter states again that "BAPTISM now saves you".
In Mark 16:16, Jesus Himself stated, "The one who believes and is BAPTIZED will be saved but the one who doesn't believe will be condemned."
Belief comes FIRST - then Baptism for the forgiveness of sins and the gift of the Holy Spirit.
Walpole
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What St. Peter said ---> "Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. For the promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off, as many as the Lord our God will call to Himself." (Acts 2:38-39)
What St. Peter DID NOT SAY ---> "Repent and then you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. You can then be baptized, but being baptized is not for the remission of your sins. Oh and this promise is for you, but NOT your children." (Protestantism)
And WHO is saying that Jesus DIDN'T pay it all??
Certainly NOT me.
What you have written above about what God does to us is ALL true. You just have the order out of whack because you completely deleted Baptism from the equation. You have the person being "made alive" before repentance and Baptism - and it is ONLY through repentance and Baptism that we come alive.
The Bible is CLEAR that Baptism is necessary and not just "symbolic" as too many Protestants believe (John 3:5, Mark 16:16, Acts 2:38, Rom. 6: 3-4, Gal. 3:27, Col. 2:11-12, Tit. 3:4-8, 1 Pet. 3:21).
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