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I don't think so, you are saying that grace saves, I am saying that faith saves.Originally posted by KenH:
I said, "By grace through faith is the Biblical expression."
You said, "NO, "For by grace are ye saved through faith" is the biblical equation."
We said the same thing. I think you are trying to be nitpicking, Yelsew.![]()
Why does a Christian have freedom and liberty and moral ability (or as you put it - a free will)? Because we've been freed in Christ the author of our liberty.Originally posted by Ray Berrian:
Brother Dallas,
Our point is why does the Lord knock at the backslidden saints heart's door if he does not have a free will. If He ramrods a repentance and return to fellowship with Him, then He need not 'knock' to ask for re-admission into the life of the negligent saints spiritual experience and a more intimate fellowship with Christ.
Absolutely, God did all the work, Gave the word that persuades, Provides his Holy Spirit that assures, and leaves the YES or NO up to me. I said and continue to say YES. Therefore, because I believe in His Only Begotten Son, even on his incredible name, I have eternal life in spite of all my failings. AIN'T GOD GOOOOOOOD!Originally posted by KenH:
Yelsew,
I acknowledge that God is 100% responsible for my salvation. Do you do likewise?
Do you know why this is true? Anyone? Hint: Jesus came to seek and to save that which is ?????Originally posted by Ray Berrian:
Oh, so you are saying, 'a Christian {has} freedom and liberty and moral ability' to backslide, but the sinner does not have freedom, liberty, moral ability/ free will. You are outright saying that the Christian has a free will, once saved, but the poor, unfortunate, nonelect are given nothing favorable to their lost condition that would enable them to find faith in Jesus.
Do you know why this is true? Anyone? Hint: Jesus came to seek and to save that which is ?????Originally posted by Frogman:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Ray Berrian:
Oh, so you are saying, 'a Christian {has} freedom and liberty and moral ability' to backslide, but the sinner does not have freedom, liberty, moral ability/ free will. You are outright saying that the Christian has a free will, once saved, but the poor, unfortunate, nonelect are given nothing favorable to their lost condition that would enable them to find faith in Jesus.
That verse I quoted ended with the phrase "Yoke of Bondage". Who took off that yoke? Jesus did when the sinner was saved. Did the sinner take it off by his own faith or did Jesus take it off by Grace?Originally posted by Ray Berrian:
Oh, so you are saying, 'a Christian {has} freedom and liberty and moral ability' to backslide, but the sinner does not have freedom, liberty, moral ability/ free will. You are outright saying that the Christian has a free will, once saved, but the poor, unfortunate, nonelect are given nothing favorable to their lost condition that would enable them to find faith in Jesus.
This works when going on vacation, but only in the flesh as you explain it, will not cause the person to 'pass from death unto life'.Originally posted by Yelsew:
And so it is with being spiritually lost! Seek and ye shall find, Knock, and the door will be opened to you. One need only ask.
This works when going on vacation, but only in the flesh as you explain it, will not cause the person to 'pass from death unto life'.Originally posted by Frogman:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Yelsew:
And so it is with being spiritually lost! Seek and ye shall find, Knock, and the door will be opened to you. One need only ask.
Elaborate on this, please. The scriptures describe all as being in the flesh, then Jesus says to Nicodemus, 'except a man be born again...' and then he said:As I understand the Scriptures, it is only while "in the flesh" that man can pass from death unto life.
Couldn't thank Jesus for something you did, could you.Was I totally depraved? NO! Thank God!
Was I an unsaved sinner? YES! Forgive me Jesus!
Am I now HOLY? NO! Forgive me Jesus!
Am I Sanctified? YES! Thank you Jesus!
Am I Justified? YES! Thank you Jesus!
Am I saved? Yes! Because I believe in Jesus who saved me!
WRONG, Belief requires no work! You believe in a wide variety of things without expending a lick of effort. Belief in Jesus requires no effort. Belief is merely mental and or spiritual acceptance of fact, idea, concept, reality, situation, condition, etc. NO EFFORT is Expended in believing, There is NO END OBJECTIVE or GOAL. It is simply belief in that which your mind and spirit have heard, seen, smelled, tasted, felt, or sensed, and even conceived. To aid in your belief, here is the definition of Believe and Belief:Originally posted by Frogman:
If you DID anything, then it becomes a work.
Bro. Dallas
believe, v., -lieved, -liev·ing.
—v.i.
1. to have confidence in the truth, the existence, or the reliability of something, although without absolute proof that one is right in doing so: Only if one believes in something can one act purposefully.
—v.t.
2. to have confidence or faith in the truth of (a positive assertion, story, etc.); give credence to.
3. to have confidence in the assertions of (a person).
4. to have a conviction that (a person or thing) is, has been, or will be engaged in a given action or involved in a given situation: The fugitive is believed to be headed for the Mexican border.
5. to suppose or assume; understand (usually fol. by a noun clause): I believe that he has left town.
6. believe in,
a. to be persuaded of the truth or existence of: to believe in Zoroastrianism; to believe in ghosts.
b. to have faith in the reliability, honesty, benevolence, etc., of: I can help only if you believe in me.
7. make believe. See make (def. 46).
belief, n.
1. something believed; an opinion or conviction: a belief that the earth is flat.
2. confidence in the truth or existence of something not immediately susceptible to rigorous proof: a statement unworthy of belief.
3. confidence; faith; trust: a child's belief in his parents.
4. a religious tenet or tenets; religious creed or faith: the Christian belief.
—Syn. 1. view, tenet, conclusion, persuasion.
2. assurance.
BELIEF, CERTAINTY, CONVICTION refer to acceptance of, or confidence in, an alleged fact or body of facts as true or right without positive knowledge or proof.
BELIEF is such acceptance in general: belief in astrology.
CERTAINTY indicates unquestioning belief and positiveness in one's own mind that something is true: I know this for a certainty.
CONVICTION is settled, profound, or earnest belief that something is right: a conviction that a decision is just.
4. doctrine, dogma.