Dualhunter
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I only took a quick look at some of the posts on this page and the previous page but from what I saw, I did not see any personal attacks.
I too believe that is only by grace through faith that a person can be saved. However that raises the questions of by who's grace and by faith in what? The answers are of course God's grace and faith in Christ. If you reject that Jesus is God, you reject that His life had infinite value to pay for the sin of all who put their trust in Him. Not only that you call Him a liar which raises the question of how do you have faith in somebody whom you do not believe? If you reject the gift of the Son of God as an atoning sacrifice for your sin (you can claim that He died for your sins but if you deny Christ's diety, you deny that He has the power to do what you claim to believe He did) you've rejected His grace and as there is no other sacrifice for sin, there is no other way for you to be saved.
It's a bit like Catholicism, they say that a person is saved by grace through faith but then deny by saying that's not enough. Those who deny that Jesus is God, deny who He is and it makes no sense for such a person to say that they have faith in Him.
The Jesus who atoned for sin by dying on a cross is God, and that's the Jesus that you must have faith in to be saved. A Jesus who is not God simply is not able to atone for the sins of the world.
5 Have this attitude in yourselves which was also in Christ Jesus,
6 who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped,
7 but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men.
8 Being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.
9 For this reason also, God highly exalted Him, and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name,
10 so that at the name of Jesus EVERY KNEE WILL BOW, of those who are in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
11 and that every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. - Philippians 2:5-11 NASB
I too believe that is only by grace through faith that a person can be saved. However that raises the questions of by who's grace and by faith in what? The answers are of course God's grace and faith in Christ. If you reject that Jesus is God, you reject that His life had infinite value to pay for the sin of all who put their trust in Him. Not only that you call Him a liar which raises the question of how do you have faith in somebody whom you do not believe? If you reject the gift of the Son of God as an atoning sacrifice for your sin (you can claim that He died for your sins but if you deny Christ's diety, you deny that He has the power to do what you claim to believe He did) you've rejected His grace and as there is no other sacrifice for sin, there is no other way for you to be saved.
It's a bit like Catholicism, they say that a person is saved by grace through faith but then deny by saying that's not enough. Those who deny that Jesus is God, deny who He is and it makes no sense for such a person to say that they have faith in Him.
The Jesus who atoned for sin by dying on a cross is God, and that's the Jesus that you must have faith in to be saved. A Jesus who is not God simply is not able to atone for the sins of the world.
5 Have this attitude in yourselves which was also in Christ Jesus,
6 who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped,
7 but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men.
8 Being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.
9 For this reason also, God highly exalted Him, and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name,
10 so that at the name of Jesus EVERY KNEE WILL BOW, of those who are in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
11 and that every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. - Philippians 2:5-11 NASB