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Remaining Roman Catholic
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I’m more of a Christ Victor guy anyway I hold to Doctrines of Grace and OSAS. From my thinking process, Christ’s death was what saved me from the sins of the past, present and future... though I will sin, He was and is my savior. And once that has happened, together with the regeneration of the HS, I have been made whole.... I am a new creature with a developed heart and soul and conscience. That does not make me perfect, but I have been transformed into a Kingdom person, one that lives for Him, with Him and in Him.
Evolve -- yes. Some evolve more than others. My views are much the same as when I started on this forum, but in the last couple of years I have had one significant change that I never thought would happen. I can't discuss that here, but I learned an important lesson.
I believe you and I differ greatly in our theology, and yet I consider you a friend and one of the most sensible and godly people here.
Thank you kindly
My main concern would be that neither the RCC nor the SDA themselves are really NT Churches, as both hold to a non blibical Gospel!
We are not to tolerate false doctrines and dogmas though, as Jude sattes that we are to fight for the Faith once and for all delivered to us, and Paul states that any other gospel than the real one is damnable heresy!
My views agree with Jesus and the Apostles, does yours?
I love to have you around here, just not posting false catholic theology!You don't want me around Yeshua? I thought we were friends. :C
To Catholic teaching though, would appears that Jesus death gives us a clean slate of past/present sins, but all future sins have to be dealt with thru Sacraments of Grace!
And you are with your interpretation of the God's Holy Word? Haaaaaaaaa! That's the funniest thing I'm going to hear all day.
When we make use of the sacrament of Confession, we are relying on Jesus Christ and how He offers all of us salvation through His death on the Cross.
You don't think the clue might be in the name?
Im waiting for someone to inquire as to what is a sacrumental church vs a Baptistic Church! There you can deliniate.... & Steve you may have a leg up on these guys if you spent time in any Anglican Churches. I really believe this is a breakdown of church differences (which is far from being a unifier for Christians).
Little (quick) story. I was born & raised RC. A few years after my marriage, my lovely wife Pam convinced me to go Reformed. I truly believed it was a step up from Roman Catholism.....I still do however it still retains Infant Baptism & all the stuff I am unconfortable with like.......What if your child dies in infancy w/o being baptised, where is the child? With RC and Orthodox Presbyterianism (reformed church) you can pretty much guess the answer. Thats when I started inquiring what Baptists believe.
So how do you propose to fight these other faiths, like you do now by insulting & alienating them, telling them that they are patently false and forcing them to defend their long held beliefs?!? BRILLIANT, nobody wins that war however the opponent showed you, he did not budge one inch & is more entrenched then ever.
After your regenerated status, your telling me you dont sin? Is that what you call Lordship Salvation?
My understanding of the Gospel agrees with Paul, the RCC view does not!
Did paul confront the heretics? Did peter, did James? Think they would be far less tolerant than I have been!So how do you propose to fight these other faiths, like you do now by insulting & alienating them, telling them that they are patently false and forcing them to defend their long held beliefs?!? BRILLIANT, nobody wins that war however the opponent showed you, he did not budge one inch & is more entrenched then ever.
1st you are not them so why are you attempting to pattern yourself after them. 2nd have you ever given any consideration to being wrong minded, legalistic & operating very much like the Pharisees of old. Now how did Christ deal with Pharisees? Did he eat with them, invite them into His sermons, try to reach them? I know he did & he got some results too. In short, He was relational.
He pretty much blasted at the Pharisees, save for a few who believed in him, as the rest were dead in their sins, and wanted to kill him off!
And when I speal of attacking heretics, its really going against the teachings and theologies expoused by them!
True. But, not of recent origin. Consider the following.
Christ Did Not Die for Pope To Be Glorified - C.H. Spurgeon - Girded with Truth
Christ Did Not Die for Pope To Be Glorified – C. H. Spurgeon
Christ Did Not Die for Pope To Be Glorified: Christ did not redeem His Church with His blood that the Pope might come in and steal away the glory! He never came from Heaven to earth and poured out His very heart that He might purchase His people so that a poor sinner, a mere man, should be set upon high to be admired by all the nations and to call himself God’s representative on earth!
The Lord Jesus Christ has always been the Head of His Church
It is not possible for any to be Head in the Church of Christ, but Jesus! Has God exalted Him and made Him to be the Head over all things—and it is usurping the prerogative of Christ for any to suppose they can be Head of the Church of Christ, for Jesus Christ is the Head and He, alone, holds power over ecclesiastical organizations! Over the sacred mystical, blood-bought, redeemed, regenerated Church of Christ there never can, by any possibility, be any other Head but Jesus Christ, the Lord Himself! Now mark, God has exalted the Lord Jesus Christ in the government of His Church All authority, all authoritative rules in Zion come through Jesus Christ. All true teaching in Zion comes from His lips. We call no man, master, upon earth, for One is our Master, and that One is Christ. No man is Rabbi in the Church, but He is our Rabboni, our Teacher, and all other teachers are thieves and robbers if they teach on their own authority. They only are accepted as the Lord’s shepherds, who speak Christ’s Truth in Christ’s name—and in the power of His own Spirit. God has made Christ to rule supremely throughout the Church, and in this He has glorified Him!
Charles Spurgeon QUOTES on ROMAN CATHOLICISM - Historicist.com The Protestant Interpretation of Biblical Prophecy. The Historical Alternative
After that lot of rubbish had been cleared away, the task was only begun, for soon after apostolic times, and first zeal of Christians had gone, there came the old ROMAN rubbish, which in the end proved a worse hindrance than all which had preceeded it. This Popish rubbish was found in layers - first one doctrinal error, and then another, and then another, and then another, and then another, till at this time the errors of the Church of Rome are as countless as the stars, as black as midnight, and as foul as hell. Her abominations reek in the nostrils of all good men. Her idolatries are the scorn of reason and the abhorrence of faith. The iniquities of her practice, and the enormities of her doctrine, almost surpass belief.
Popery is as much the masterpiece of Satan as the gospel is the masterpiece of God. There can scarcely be imagined anything of devilish craftiness or Satanic wickedness which could be compared with her, she is unparalleled, the queen of iniquity. Behold upon her forehead the name, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. The church of Rome and her teachings are a vast mountain of rubbish covering the truth.
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