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Repealing Obamacare
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A link would be nice so that everyone knows precisely to what you refer.
Raising taxes solves everything. Got it.
You have no clue what it is like to look at it from a physician's perspective. Your comments so far leave me with the impression that you think that all doctors drive Mercedes and light their fireplaces with rolled-up hundred dollar bills. That is not reality.
There may be many, but many is not most. I asked Mrs. Rolf about this. She is dead-set against Obamacare. 95% of independent physicians who she knows are against it.
Typical lefty argument. Those who oppose a Liberal program want people to die.
So, under Obamacare, what do you plan to do when patient care becomes rationed and its quality deteriorates? What do you plan to do when the premiums under Obamacare grow to unaffordable levels?
So what's your solution? You do understand that a 2% payroll tax increase is much smaller than what most people are paying out of pocket for health insurance now, right?
I know quite a few doctors. My husband works at a hospital. Many of them are frustrated that they cannot give their patients the care they need because of the insurance company's unwillingness to pay for it.
Who SHE knows...that is not a representative sample of ALL physicians across the country.
How cute, namecalling. Try living with the reality of KNOWING that if you lose your medical insurance that is only possible through the ACA you WILL die. No ifs, ands or buts about it. You WILL die.
What? You think it isn't rationed now? You're funny! I can send you files of appeal letters I wrote PRIOR to "Obamacare" (more properly called the Affordable Care Act) to fight for a surgery my husband needed that the insurance company would not authorize. The letters I wrote to get medications that were deemed medically necessary covered. You are under a strong delusion if you think medical care was not rationed prior to the ACA.
Now...again, what is YOUR solution? I gave mine. You did not like it because of that curse word "taxes". Until you come up with a viable opinion that does not involve name calling, I am done with this conversation. Have a nice day.
Quite the presumption. If you plan to claim that I want anyone to die, I am done with this interaction.
Ever thing about civility lessons?
I have been as civil as possible. You chose to call names. Now, what's YOUR solution to this problem?
Because the insurance companies were still involved.
Simply not true.
More likely because the government was involved. They do a really great job with the VA, don't they? Thousands die waiting for treatment. Can't wait till they get a chance to kill all of us waitinjg for treatment.
My husband goes through the VA now...treatment has been fantastic. Can't complain at all.
Tens of Thousands can complain...and do. But a lot of them just die waiting. Consider yourself lucky.
People die waiting in the civilian world too. People die because they can't afford treatment in the civilian world. People die because they can't afford their medications in the civilian world. Private insurance is not the wonderful thing you think it is. If you have a serious illness, you can die waiting for treatment, waiting for an insurance company to choose to cover the treatment. You can die because they won't cover the medications needed.
The people who were messing up have been fired. There is now something in place that if a Vet can't get an appointment within 30 days, he or she can go to an outside doctor through something here in Nevada called Tri-West, which is essentially Tri-Care (military medical utilizing civilian doctors for active duty and retirees).
I will not give the VA a free pass but I can tell you from experience that military medical and the VA is a darn sight better than ANY civilian program with the exception of Medicaid. -My second child was born prematurely at an Air Force hospital. There was a medi-vac chopper waiting on the flightline to transfer him to the top children's hospital in the state (and it wasn't the local children's hospital) about 300 miles from where he was born. He was born, placed in an isolette and on his way within 30 minutes of his birth. No hassles, no headaches, and no bill either (well, I did get charged for meals, I think back then it was a whopping 20 bucks). His NICU bill, 2 weeks in the top NICU in the state...zero.
As someone who has experienced "single payer" in the military system, I can tell you it's better than ANY civilian medical plan.
@carpro
You rated my post "funny"? Why don't you try to refute what I said instead? I have yet to see anyone come up with any substantive opposition to the ACA other than "I don't like it" nor have I seen a single person provide any facts and figures to oppose it. All I see is anecdotal baloney instead of hard facts.
You rated my post "funny"? Why don't you try to refute what I said instead? I have yet to see anyone come up with any substantive opposition to the ACA other than "I don't like it" nor have I seen a single person provide any facts and figures to oppose it. All I see is anecdotal baloney instead of hard facts.
The government mandated what and who was to be covered. The insurance companies were approved by the governemt and what they could make to administer the program was limited.
It was just a disaster from the word go. Poorly thought out and introduced. Sold to the public based on lies and trick accounting and "exceptions" written illegally in the oval office. They even stole $700 billion from the medicare program, funding the program on the backs of the elderly and causing thousands of them to lose their doctors.
It's a disaster and has to go.
One more time...what is your solution? How are you going to solve the problem? What would you support. You've spent many words and inconvenienced many electrons talking about how you hate it but have yet to add anything substantive to this discussion, which is something I have found common to those who oppose the ACA.
So...if you have nothing to add, then it is time to end this discussion. Have a wonderful evening.
Not worth bothering. The VA has had decades to get it right and it still has problems. Your anecdotal "evidence" means nothing when faced with problems like this one:
http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/02/politics/va-inspector-general-report/
Hundreds of thousands of veterans listed in the Department of Veterans Affairs enrollment system died before their applications for care were processed, according to a report issued Wednesday.
The VA's inspector general found that out of about 800,000 records stalled in the agency's system for managing health care enrollment, there were more than 307,000 records that belonged to veterans who had died.
ONE LAST TIME: What is YOUR solution?
Your link is from over a year ago...you have no idea how closely I follow news about the VA.
If you aren't part of the solution, you're part of the problem and seeing as how you have chosen to not add anything substantive to a possible solution, then you're still part of the problem.
And rating my posts as "funny" are making you look like a person with some serious mental health issues. I can't and won't say what I think of that, but I think you need help. Start with re-reading Matthew 25:31-46 then justify your opinions.
Really? So they fixed it? The 307,000 that died waiting are now covered?
That's good to know.