Replacement Theology is cloaked anti-Semitism

[Kiffin]

So Augustine and the early church fathers were Baptists?

Nope but they were not RCC either since it did not exist.

 

[Aaron]

Originally posted by Grasshopper:

I find it rather amusing someone who constantly posts articles bashing Muslims and Palestinians accuses another of anti-semitism.

This is true, Lady Eagle. The Arabs are also Semitic people. Do your posts critical of Islam spring from antisemitism and a hatred for Palestinians?

See how foolish the antisemitism label is?

 

[Primitive Baptist]

LadyEagle,

Before you start labeling folks anti-semitic, maybe you should search the Scriptures to learn what your own Lord and Savior Jesus Christ said about unbelieving Jews who call themselves Jews.

"I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan." --Rev. 2:9

"Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee." --Rev. 3:9

You should also stop your guilty by association tactics. Do you celebrate Christmas? Do you celebrate Easter? Both of those Pagan holidays spawned from the Roman whore. Does that make you a Roman Catholic? I don't celebrate them, and I have biblical reasons for not. Does that make me better than you? I would consider myself a Premillennialist, and I believe God has further dealings with the Jews in the future, but Dispensationalism draws a distinction between the church and Israel that the Bible nor the early church never made.

 

[Ransom]

Pastor Larry said:

In this discussion we have to deal with explicit unfulfilled promises made to the physical descendants of Abraham.

Which promises are those, specifically? References please.

 

[Primitive Baptist]

LadyEagle, as for your obvious fascination with the name "Baptist," what kind of Baptist are you...Arminian? Well, that's not really a Baptist at all. No, God has not fulfilled all His promises to the natural descendants of Abraham, but that does not mean that they are justified because of their unbelief. That does not negate the fact that an unbelieving Jew is just as damned in the wrath of Almighty God as a Gentile.

 

[Primitive Baptist]

Ransom, try Ezekiel 16 and 37. Those two chapters can be applied to no other people than Israel after the flesh.

 

[LadyEagle]

The deviations from this topic are just truly amazing. So to answer your twists off topic:

I am not "fascinated" with Baptists. I have probably been a Baptist for more years than some of you have been living on this planet. I have never personally met Baptist who don't hold to a pre-mill theology. That is why I am curious as to Baptist history. But maybe IFBs have a different view. You have yet to prove anything to support your position except to attack Darby. That isn't proof. I'm sure there is proof out there, but it is easier to attack the member, isn't it?

Well, fine. I was hoping we could have a nice serious discussion here, but apparently not. If you can't stay on topic then you've shown me you don't know what you're talking about. It's just babble.

BTW, not all Muslims are "semites" or Arabs so you don't have a clue about that either.

Thanks for being such nice gentlemen and showing respect to an old lady (let alone your Sister in Christ). I hope you treat your wives better than this. Your mamas would be proud.

 

[Ransom]

Primitive Baptist said:

Ransom, try Ezekiel 16 and 37.

Uh . . . what explicit unfulfilled promises made to Abraham are found in Ezekiel 16 and 37?

 

[Johnv]

Originally posted by LadyEagle:
I have never personally met Baptist who don't hold to a pre-mill theology.

Since there are differing opinions, it might help if you defined what premil theology is.

... not all Muslims are "semites" or Arabs ...

You bring up a good point. Stastically, MOST ethnic Arabs are Muslim (without making a distinction between a cultural Muslim and a practicing Muslim). But there are many, MANY Arabs worldwide who are Jewish and Christian as well (again, not making a distiction between cultural and practice of faith). Likewise, not all Jews are ethnic Hebrew. Many Jews are non-Hebrew. Likewise, there are Hebrews worldwide that are Christian and Muslim. Ethnically, the Arab peoples and Hebrew peoples are both Hebrews and Arabs are Semite.

The trend is to interchange "Hebrew" with "Jew", but it's not completely accurate (A Hebrew is an ethnic Jew, but not all members of the JEwish religion are Hebrew). Likewise, there's been a tendency to use "Arab" and "Muslim" interchangeably, which is a misleading usage of the words.

In history, early Jews were mostly exclusively Hebrew, Muslims were mostly exclusively Arab. But as these faiths spread in the world, that trend changed.

BTW - there are some small faction groups here and there in both religions that call for ethnic purity: Jewish factions that call for ousting all non-Isrealites from Judaism, and Muslim factions that call for ousting all non-Arab Muslims. But these groups are generally scoffed at as heretical by mainliners in both faiths. Likewise, there are also Christian factions that assert that all Christians must convert to Judaism, and some that assert that only whites are true Christians. etc etc etc....

 

[Bethelassoc]

LadyEagle:

I was raised in an amillenial background as a Baptist. Premil DiSpENSATIONALISM is not as common within the Baptist churches as you think.

I don't believe that it is contained within a certain denomination, I believe it really comes down to what's popular. Many people can't explain why they believe in some of their eschatological stances, they just do....with conviction!

 

[BrianT]

Originally posted by LadyEagle:
I am still waiting for someone to show me where, when, or how, Baptists historically deviated from the pre-tribulation interpretation of Scripture and began endorsing Replacement Theology.

Baptists didn't devaite from the pretrib interpretation of scripture, for originally Baptists were not pretrib. Some deviated *to* pretrib in the mid-to-late 1800's and early 1900s, and it's grown from there.

I have never personally met Baptist who don't hold to a pre-mill theology.

Widen your circle.

Before about 1830, you'd probably never meet a Baptist who *did* hold premill theology, and you certainly wouldn't meet a Baptist who held pretrib theology.

God bless,
Brian

 

[Daniel David]

Originally posted by LadyEagle:
Then by that reasoning, God didn't make an everlasting covenant with Abraham, even though He said it was. And then God isn't the same yesterday, today, and forever, either.

Okay, it is only going downhill for Ladyeagle. The promises will only be realized by those who are part of Christ. As a true dispensationalist, I recognize that ethnic Israel will only receive the blessings of the Abrahamic covenant when they embrace Abraham's greatest Son. Until then, they are apostate, lost, hellbound, antichrist, etc.

 

[Daniel David]

Originally posted by LadyEagle:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />RIGHT NOW ISRAEL IS ANTICHRIST!

You preached that from the pulpit of a Baptist church? </font>[/QUOTE]I preached that from the pulpit of an Independant Fundamental Baptist church. How do you argue with that. I even told you the scripture. Read 1 John 4. Those who deny that Christ is complete deity and humanity are ANTICHRIST. The problem is that it tears down your unbibilical ideas.

 

[Johnv]

I think use of the word "antichrist" evokes revelationalistic images about the anti-christ. Suffice it to say that anyone who has denies Christ as Lord and Savior is lost, be they Jew, Muslim, Baptist, etc.

 

[Daniel David]

Originally posted by Aaron:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Daniel David:
...I think Augustine was an idiot....

C.H. Spurgeon quoted from Augustine frequently to illustrate great truths. He did not seem to share your opinion. </font>[/QUOTE]In many matters, he was an idiot.

I will not sprinkle children, legalize prostitution, or change the method of hermenuetics because I don't understand the nature of God's kingdom.

 

[Daniel David]

Ladyeagle, you will not discuss anything. You have made up your mind that scofieldian/larkin/chaferian dispensationalism is truth.

You refuse to deal with the fact that only those who are part of Christ will inherit the blessing.

You refuse to deal with 1 John 4 and the spirit of antichrist that the modern nation of Israel embraces.

You refuse to use Scripture.

You refuse to actually learn what antisemitism is.

You refuse to realize that the church composes the people of God for now.

So, who is it that cannot or will not discuss things?

Btw, your age matters not when error needs to be exposed.

 

[Grasshopper]

You have yet to prove anything to support your position except to attack Darby. That isn't proof. I'm sure there is proof out there, but it is easier to attack the member, isn't it?

You started the attacking by labeling many of us anti-semetic. I guess that does not violate board policy.
Instead of having others do the research for you, why don't you search for yourself like we have done. It is amazing what you can learn by turning off Jack Van Impe and turning into your bible.

 

[KenH]

Originally posted by LadyEagle:
Is this the official position of the SBC, for instance?

From the SBC Baptist Faith & Message:

X. Last Things

God, in His own time and in His own way, will bring the world to its appropriate end. According to His promise, Jesus Christ will return personally and visibly in glory to the earth; the dead will be raised; and Christ will judge all men in righteousness. The unrighteous will be consigned to Hell, the place of everlasting punishment. The righteous in their resurrected and glorified bodies will receive their reward and will dwell forever in Heaven with the Lord.

 

[KenH]

Originally posted by LadyEagle:
I have never personally met Baptist who don't hold to a pre-mill theology.

You would do well to obtain a copy of Has Our Theology Changed?: Southern Baptist Thought Since 1845, Paul A. Basden, editor, to acquaint yourself with the history of eschatological thought among Southern Baptists on pp. 230-262 of this book.

Some of the section headings, to give you an idea of the historical flow, are:

The Early Postmillennial Consensus
Emergent Premillennialism
The Fundamentalist Consensus and Decline of Postmillennialism
Amillennialism Ascendant
Resurgent Premillennialism

The writer of this chapter, James Spivey, ends it with; "Few doctrines based on such narrow biblical evidence have created such a broad battlefield as the millennium: it has been one of the most divisive issues in Christian history. Southern Baptists have shown wisdom in refusing to make one specific view of this doctrine a test of fellowship."

 

[Daniel David]

Ken, realize the times. Postmill was popular because of the strength of the reformation. People thought that the Church was on the rise. I guess 2 World Wars, a Civil War (decidedly won by those opposed to terrorism), a Korean War, a Vietnam War, a war on the unborn, etc., kind of removed the optimism of people.

Funny how truth (that times will get worse) actually is true.